MRA -Magnetic Resonance Amplifier

[Koen1]

@ashtweth_nihilisti:

So you say you are building or have built a MRA that works,
as in hat it produces over unity?
But it is not looped yet, if I understand...? Or was that the
version by the other guys that wasn't looped yet?

Anyway, it is interesting to hear that, since Hal Puthoff
(if I recall correctly) replicated the MRA experiment
and was able to achieve exactly the claimed 500%
efficiency as was calculated by the inventor(s)...
And then Puthoff showed how that is a calculation error
and how proper calculation shows the true efficiency
at 85% or so...
I can't find the original source where I read this,
but there is a brief summary of the same on
http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/1mra.htm#evalu
in case you wish to check it.

I'm not saying it is impossible that you got an MRA
to work and produce OU, and I'm not saying Puthoff
necessarily proved that the MRA principle can't work.
What I am saying is that Puthoffs analysis seems to be
in order and seems to disprove the MRA claims,
and so it is very interesting that you claim to have been
able to get real OU from an MRA where Puthoff failed.

Then again you do say that your aim is DC in and DC out,
and if I am not mistaken that was not exactly what Puthoff
did... So there might be some funky effect that he missed.

Can you please describe your setup in detail some more,
or give some more links to usefull resources?

Thanks, and good luck with your experiments and development

[TinselKoala]

Koen wrote:
"I can't find the original source where I read this,
but there is a brief summary of the same on
http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/1mra.htm#evalu
in case you wish to check it."

You might just want to check out the links I posted, in the fourth post in this thread.

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

I am not interested in skeptics who build nothing to prove it to them self's. And of those who are not thorough in their methods. Just cause Hal did this and i did that, i dont care for that either. And If you read the posts i made you see your question is not needed - i stated

".04 of a watt to create the signal. We get then .252 watts out (could light up more LEDS on .04)."  I already stated the aim is to make a source of DC, before even thinking about it. There usually is allot of babel in these threads, just a heads up that its not going to go on in here. Some one might even make me the Mod in this thread, then all these type of posts will be removed. Read what i stated, there is none of these type of  questions needed on my part till i post results.  Plus , i better know you if you reproduce this device, as if i don't you could be any one, and  i don't trust "anyone". AND i may not take your testimony over mine. Just giving a heads up to my friends here who know who they are.

You may find replication data on the panacea university site.

I do not care for looping, until I find out every thing from the energy being transformed, ie, some state it will kill the dipole (Beardon), some say its a counter gyro movement (Joseph Newman) .I am more interested in a DC measurement in and out at this stage. As i already mentioned, read the posts, dont repeat a question that's not needed, i want this thread to be informative, you have to do that here some times. Plus this is a great application as is. We will be building it to maybe charge batteries from a square wave mosfet circuit.

Ash

[ashtweth_nihilisti]

Guys, here is another post from Norm Wootan.

The "weird effects" included such things as building a very powerful
standing wave, probably columnar that would suddenly collapse is you
unloaded the MRA while under power at resonance. Many times Joel had
all the light bulbs blow out the filaments although they were turned
off at the time. The filaments would break away at one post in the bulb
and spin violently around in the bulb scraping away the phosphor coating.
These MRA's were being driven with audio paging amps at 70V output. The
line input was being monitored all the time and it was found that
the line input current to the amp would fall below idle current draw
when the MRA was fine tuned to peak power output (resonance) See following.

>
> Tuning procedures used on the MRA
>
> Attached are three oscilloscope photographs, circuit diagram (series
> resonant MRA circuit) and a resonant curve for a series resonant
> circuit which depicts the region of operation that we seek to find.
> This document will describe the tuning procedures used to bring the
> resonating circuit into that lossless ultra high "Q" region slightly
> on the right side of the resonant peak. Keep in mind that we are
> tuning a series resonant circuit which produces a slight reactive
> component (current lagging) when tuned to the immediate right side of
> the resonant curve. This tuned position provides us an almost
> infinite impedance in the input side of our circuit.
> To reach this finely tuned, ideal resonant condition it is first
> necessary to find that resonant condition shown in oscilloscope photo
> #1. This photo depicts a net capacitive condition with the current
> clearly leading the voltage traces. The next step is to tune through
> the resonant peak to find a condition of net reactive which shows a
> current lagging scope trace as shown in photo #2. Now we tune ever so
> slightly down in frequency to approach that infinite "Q" sweet spot
> which lies just to the right of the resonant peak providing an almost
> infinite impedance in our primary which also brings the current and
> voltage into a very favorable power factor which yields the maximum
> gain possible as depicted in photo #3.
>
> Norm

The MRA will not work if the magnet is cold. Ambient temp of about 70
degrees F. and a warm up run for an hour below resonant conditions
proved to be most effective. I believe that the
MRA has to have time to build an "aetheric field" around itself in the
form of a standing wave. The very low powered MRA such as the one Ash
is running will work as soon as you start it up.
The high powered MRA. (audio amp driven) have to be brought up to fine
tuned resonance over a period of time to condition everything. The
destructive spike that took out the light bulbs
manifest in the neutral side of the house wiring circuit. Really weird
to see the effect. The MRA output follows the position of the sun and
moon so there is some sork of gravity effect which
Greg Hodowanec describes in his work with earth gravity fields. See REX
Research files on Greg's experiments with the MRA.

The following "grain of wheat" test of the MRA input was the most
difficult evidence for Hal Puthoff to explain.
In Joel's own words.
Norm,

Now that they have it running, tell them to put one tiny grain-of-wheat
bulb in the input, and some larger bulbs on the output load. That is
what we showed to Tom Bearden, and he made that famous comment, "There's
no doubt in my military mind that this is an overunity device".

Joel

As far as gravity effects, we did measure changes in piezo weight after
running at resonance with a gain back to normal
after turning off the MRA. Same effect as the famous Nieper Ring circuit.

[poynt99]

I am not interested in skeptics who build nothing to prove it to them self's. And of those who are not thorough in their methods. Just cause Hal did this and i did that, i dont care for that either. And If you read the posts i made you see your question is not needed - i stated

".04 of a watt to create the signal. We get then .252 watts out (could light up more LEDS on .04)."  I already stated the aim is to make a source of DC, before even thinking about it. There usually is allot of babel in these threads, just a heads up that its not going to go on in here. Some one might even make me the Mod in this thread, then all these type of posts will be removed. Read what i stated, there is none of these type of  questions needed on my part till i post results.  Plus , i better know you if you reproduce this device, as if i don't you could be any one, and  i don't trust "anyone". AND i may not take your testimony over mine. Just giving a heads up to my friends here who know who they are.

You may find replication data on the panacea university site.

I do not care for looping, until I find out every thing from the energy being transformed, ie, some state it will kill the dipole (Beardon), some say its a counter gyro movement (Joseph Newman) .I am more interested in a DC measurement in and out at this stage. As i already mentioned, read the posts, dont repeat a question that's not needed, i want this thread to be informative, you have to do that here some times. Plus this is a great application as is. We will be building it to maybe charge batteries from a square wave mosfet circuit.

Ash

"Woooohhh, careful with that noose batman!"

"not thorough in their methods" ?

Not taking any measurements at all such as simple Vin Vout, Iin, Iout, ARE basic measurements that DO put you in the realm of scientific/thorough methods. NOT doing so automatically precludes you from it.

So you guys "guessed/estimated" the current and voltage for each LED? Did you know that you can light a typical LED to decent brightness with as little as 7mA or so? Did you know that the LED voltage drop can be anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 volts? How can you know what to base your calculations on if you didn't measure either? Why are you guessing?

I like the MRA and the hope it brings to OU (always have), but I'm stupefied that grandiose claims are being made about it based on guesstimates and assumptions.

I really doubt Stefan will allow you to censor this thread, because I'm pretty sure he will have similar questions for you guys.

What's wrong with taking a few simple measurements?

.99