Back EMF vs Collapsed Spikes.....

[quantum1024]

@allcanadian ? more beer! You have stated the words I have wanted to say most eloquently, that is exactly the description that was on the tip of my thoughts but I couldn?t bring it out. The energy is everywhere, the waveform is everywhere. Each time I hit this ?high peak point, resonance?- ?something I can?t explain very well? I start blowing up components. The potentials go through the roof. I scaled down my circuits and am now running around 200v. but still this is too much. Thank you for your accurate description.

[quantum1024]

1)

the discharge current has an infinite potential ? ?I think this is based on the turns ratio, the more turns the higher the conversion of current to voltage potential?

, oopppssss.. you said "discharge current"....uhmmmmm.. now I'm confused.

2)

whenever the capacitor voltage exceeds the supply voltage the inductor must "transform" more current into potential or voltage and at some point the inductive discharge can become pure potential, that is no current flow.

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I think that is the reason that Tesla was working on his spark gap speed?, I personally do not understand this statement however, because there is just too much going on in a short period of time. THIS statement requires some discussion.

3) what qualities does this discharge current have that separates it from conventional current?" , ?it?s cold, it?s cold running, it?s a different type of spark, it?s certainly got more energy?, perhaps this statement requires more discussion on how to detect it and what to look for.?

[Grumpy]

yup

[allcanadian]

@quantum1024

1)

the discharge current has an infinite potential ? ?I think this is based on the turns ratio, the more turns the higher the conversion of current to voltage potential?
, oopppssss.. you said "discharge current"....uhmmmmm.. now I'm confused.

Think of it this way, the charging of an inductor is based on the ampere-turns--- the amount of current running through each turn of the wire in an inductor, more current = more flux, more turns carrying the same current flow = more flux. The inductive discharge voltage is based on the rate of change of the flux, that is how long it takes the magnetic field of the inductor to collapse based on the amount of resistance. A capacitor charged by an inductive discharge can be considered a variable resistance because as the voltage on the capacitor rises it offers a greater resistance to the inductive discharge forcing the inductance to raise its voltage to overcome this resistance, it "transforms" more current into potential as the capacitor voltage rises. Teslas "method of conversion" is a transformer.
I refer to the energy in discharging inductors and capacitors as "discharge current" because it is not conventional current, nobody wants to ask the question "why" an inductor or capacitor can discharge almost instantaneously. The answer I have found is that the frequency of the current is different, not the frequency you measure but the vibration in matter due to its electrical tension, imagine trying to poke a blunt stick into sand, you would find there is a great amount of resistance. Now vibrate the stick at 100 Hz or more and you will find the stick moves through the sand with very little resistance, almost as if the sand became "fluid" --- because it did.

2. tesla used spark gaps in his earlier devices but overcame this shortcoming in later devices.

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what qualities does this discharge current have that separates it from conventional current?" , ?it?s cold, it?s cold running, it?s a different type of spark, it?s certainly got more energy?, perhaps this statement requires more discussion on how to detect it and what to look for.?

Hmmm... the discharge current is cold and as grumpy said its kinetic?
Does this sound like anything we know? Science tells me whenever something moves it gets hotter due to friction, heat being one of the lowest forms of energy and following the laws of entropy. But the discharge current does not, it could be that a capacitor that is charged higher than the supply voltage by inductive discharges no longer follows electromagnetic induction laws nor Lenz law, it follows teslas electrostatic induction laws.
This link explains it better than I can-----http://www.borderlands.com/dollardandtesla.htm

Best of luck and a happy new year to everyone

[wattsup]

Look at this............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NGLF9isoZw&NR=1