Working reconstruction of Peregrinus?s Wheel having cross-like stator

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

Whilst I reserve my judgement on the Peregrinus wheel I must state though that other experiments by Taras Leskiv have not been replicated. Scott Lang of http://www.leedskalnin.com has tried it with no success. For those of you that don't know Scotty, he is a diligent and thorough researcher that has built some beautiful machines, including a replication of the Steve Kundel motor that works.

Let us see if someone can replicate this one.

Hans von Lieven

[tao]

Tao

It is usually through the use of scientific experiments that advances in understanding are achieved in any meaningful way.  Antibiotics were not discovered by people who believed in "bad aether" or "bleeding the evil spirits". 

Your supposition that wonderful new technologies will more likely come from those who prefer "blind belief systems" of thinking and who persevere endlessly hoping that ideas which have been tried for centuries and found not to work every time will, on some new dawn, suddenly work just fine, as opposed to "critical scientific method" is quite a stretch of optimism in itself and is not at all born out by history. 

Sure, it takes some belief in yourself and some optimism to succeed at anything; without it you wouldn't give even the first attempt.  But to use that idea to justify staring endlessy down empty wells in hopes that water will eventually appear...or drilling new wells right next to ones known to be dried up and dead...it's a bad idea.

Humbugger

I do agree with you about the stretch in optimism in thinking that those who only follow the 'blind belief systems' will surely come up with that KEY solution on 'some new dawn'.

I don't oppose the scientific method at all, per se. I also think that no one here should. It most certainly IS NEEDED in all of our research and actions here.

This isn't inherently directed at you, but there are many who come into this forum, or elsewhere, and they see to have the Modus Operandi to merely dissuade, question, and deter what could be a virgin solution to extract energy from those many energy storehouses that surround us, both seen and unseen.This is the pessimism I speak of.

But, as with everything, when you look at it enough, it all evens out, and ends up not mattering at all...Case in point, when thought about deeply, all these pessimists and critics, they are in fact helping those 'dreamers' by constantly keeping the 'dreamers' on their toes, pointing out measurement errors, or slightly goofs, or potential follies. So, as with everything, IT'S ALL GOOD IN THE END...

[Humbugger]

I totally agree with you, Tao.  I guess what some perceive as "what could be a virgin solution", others sometimes recognize as the same old theiving prostitute in a new dress with heavy makeup on.

To your point about keeping the optimists on their toes by pointing out flawed measurements and bad logic, I think that's a noble effort that is very thankless around here and I appreciate your acknowledgement of the value.

Sadly, there are many optimistic professional free energy promoters here whose feet and toes are so far in the skies of delusion already that there is no hope of retrieving them toward Earth. 

I particularly pity and despise the false claims of those who claim to know how to build machines that produce vast quantities of free energy but state that the energy their inventions provide is so special that they have not quite mastered how to "load" or "tap" it just yet. 

They always rely on the insane argument that if the skeptic cannot disprove their claims by building their undisclosed, undemonstrated machine and proving it doesn't work, then the skeptic must be wrong and therefore the machine must truly exist and work as claimed.  It sounds totally nuts, but I've had that very argument thrown at me just in the last few days by Ashtweth Nihilisti.

These guys seem to always offer many reports of others doing marvelous things in the back rooms of hidden laboratories or in front of five high government officials.  Then, after ten or twenty years of nothing, the "oil men" or MIB are credited for suppressing these great machines.  There are those here who are building successful careers based purely on that very modus operandus. 

Humbugger

[Omnibus]

Violation of CoE has been proven beyond doubt. Energy can be produced out of nothing, out of no source. There's no question about that. What remains is to harness this violation by a skillful engineering effort in a convenient straightforward practical device (the device proving violation of CoE can also be applied in practice but that isn't straightforward). Unfortunately, there are many who because of incompetence and/or many different ill-conceived motives falsely lead one to believe they have achieved something. We know of not one such example. Some even use it as a tool in their what they perceive as just fight against the quasi-science, trying in this way to ridicule the confused mavericks and "enemies" of Science. All these are sad people who are more annoying than anything else. Hope this isn't the case here.

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

Violation of CoE has been proven beyond doubt. Energy can be produced out of nothing, out of no source. There's no question about that.

Where the hell did you get that idea from. How come the rest of the world is not aware of such a revolution in science. Or is this knowledge restricted to a privileged few like you and Lawrence Tseung?

Hans von Lieven