Potential solution to Ed Gray's FE mechanism???

[tao]

Anyone have any thoughts on this little thought experiment of mine that I have outlined in the image below?

Consider step 1 the starting condition for the system.

What do you think would happen at step 2?


Some might see where I am going with this...


DON'T GET ME WRONG, I AM ALL FOR THE RADIANT SOLUTION FROM LINDEMANN, BUT THIS SOLUTION DOES ALSO SEEM TO FIT NICELY AND MAKES SEEMINGLY PERFECT SENSE...

[tao]

I'll forgo waiting for responses and just post how I feel it fits Gray's work...


Let me explain how this might work in the Gray scenario:

Step 1) The plate on the left is connected to a capacitor and this is being built up to a very high voltage, say 5000 volts, via an isolated battery with an ISOLATED GROUND. It is at this time that you will see current flowing on the ammeter in that right side circuit, but it is very low, and what is happening is that the electrons from the OTHER isolated ground (the one connected to the load) are moving and bunching up on the plate on the right.

Step 2) It is at this point that the plate on the left now has 5000+ volts on it and the plate on the right has a lot of bunched electrons on it from it's electrostatic interaction with the 5000+ volts plate. Remember, each of these plates have their OWN isolated ground.

Step 3) Now, the key moment happens when the plate on the left is discharged of it's 5000+ volts is an INCREDIBLY SHORT amount of time. The plate on the right with all the electrons will almost instantly take all those bunched up electrons and spread them out across the entire right circuit and back toward it's isolated ground. So, depending on how FAST you discharge the 5000+ volts, you will get a HUGE and VERY FAST moving electron flow (longitudinal?) down the entire right circuit.

Step 4) Jump back to Step 1.



So, you see, if you had an inductor in that ISOLATED right circuit, and when you INSTANTLY discharged the 5000+ volts on the left sided circuit, you would get this VERY FAST and VERY STRONG electron flow across the entire right side circuit. So, what does this mean?

It means that when we INSTANTLY discharge (remove) the 5000+ volts from the left plate, now the ENVIRONMENT (aether,vacuum) sees no voltage on that left plate and the ENVIRONMENT WILL MOVE all those bunched up electrons and EVENLY spread them out again across the entire right circuit, and send them back into it's isolated ground. This means that all that WE are inputing is the energy required to create the 5000+ volt charge on that left plate, and it is the ENVIRONMENT that is moving the electrons toward and then away from the right plate. THE ENVIRONMENT is the thing that MOVES the electrons AFTER the 5000+ volts is ABRUPTLY REMOVED from the left plate. So, we are merely modulating a CONTROL signal by placing and removing the 5000+ volts on the left plate.

This I think could definitely be related to the COLD aspect of Gray's system. Meaning, when that 5000+ volts is removed from the left plate and the electrons in the right circuit ARE INSTANTLY spread across the right side circuit and into its ISOLATED ground, it is a movement akin to a LONGITUDINAL WAVE of sorts, and since the ENVIRONMENT is the thing spreading/moving all the electrons, it can do this VERY FAST and VERY EFFICIENTLY, meaning, VERY high current pulses, and yet, ABLE to remain COLD (ie. not heat up due to the current).

Think about what happens when we FORCE current to flow in a circuit, any circuit, the electrons are being slammed into each other and told to move forward. Think about being in a room with 1000 people and told to move out a single door way, it is something like that, chaos, heat generation, slow, etc.

Now, think about what happens when the ENVIRONMENT is the thing re-spreading the electrons outward. So there is no slamming into, no heat, no chaos, only a perfectly outspreading of the electrons in a nice FAST orderly motion.

So, considering this all COULD be right...

If we look at Gray's tube we see that he had the concentric copper cylinders around a central HV electrode in his CEST. We see that the outer COPPER (more mobile electrons to BUNCH UP) cylinders would be akin to my example of the plate on the right side. The HV electrode would be akin to the plate on the left side in my example. And the series-wound electromagnets in Gray's motor would be located in the circuit akin to the circuit on the right side in my example above.

So, when the HV electrode was ABRUPTLY discharged and NOT ALLOWED to OSCILLATE, the COPPER cylinders (which before the discharge would have A LOT of bunched up electrons) would INSTANTLY and effectively have ALL the electrons in that right circuit, which contains the series-wound electromagnets, spread out VERY fast (very high current) and VERY evenly (no heat). Now, what would a VERY FAST (high amp) pulse that was ORDERLY (no heat) do to two series-wound electromagnets facing each other?

They would most certainly get the ride of their lives.....

More later....

[armagdn03]

If nobody else will bite, I supose I will...
This is the basis (in my opinion) for many OU devices. The following train of logic spans many devices.


One of the main themes amung OU devices is the use of a resonator, or switching device.

The most efficient of these devices employ an LC circuit (parallel).

This circuit provides maximum (theoretically infinite) impedance at a particular frequency.

If we can use this to create power, we will have a device that has almost no input power, with measurable output

This circuit uses two components, An inductor, and a capacitor.

The inductor can be used as a tap to the power either by mechanical motion (Rotoverter) or electrostatic potential guiding electron movement (TPU)

The Capacitor can be used to capture the energy via capacitive antanna or electrostatic induction (C-Stack, Teslas apparatus for the collection of radiant energy, Ed Grey, Testatika etc.)

Some devices use a some sort of negative resistor to take "power off the top" of the LC circuit in an RLC manor, but I do not believe this is necessary.

People tend to gravitate towards coils and magnitism when creating OU devices. I believe that this is what is most familiar to the avarage person. However in devices such as the TPU, we are trying to generate electrostatic events with inductors, which is almost ass backwards! Why not use electrostatic potential on the Capacitor side where the effects manifest themselves in much greater quantities?

[karl]

Tao,
today I was concerned with a similar experiment...including a static charge (source dipole) and a grounded plate.
...now you say Mr. Lindeman!
Who knows the elektrophor (german name);
Frist exposed by Volta and later by Lichtenstein?
To many energy by influence principle...
Channel the forces to one direction and let it rotate...
Best wishes from switzerland...
kaRLfunkel

[karl]

...again @tao,

attached file contains a basic experiment concerning the elektrophor.
Once loaded, the insulating cake (wax, PTFE prefered) stores an static dipole set like an electret.
This dipole is utilized to induce a separation of charges in a metallic layer.
Once when C is virtually big (low gap, zero gap), use it; again when C is virtually small (big gap).
Both connections are grounded.
Is there more energy free than used to manipulate (induce) the charges?
The experiment is repeatable over a verry long time (year) without recharging the surface ot the insulator cake.
What you do is to change the capacitance of an cap-plate-pair what is also possible while moving a dielectric sheet
or changing any other factor which influences the C.

Best wishes
kaRLfunkel