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Circuit setups for pulse motors

Started by Nastrand2000, September 16, 2007, 10:46:33 PM

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casman1969

@ NASTRAND200   Appreciate that

Keep forgeting to bring my camera to the shop but will soon. Since my setup is easily disassembled and reworked I tend to do just that for refinement purposes. Good news bad news.., 100 ma draw and battery loss from 12.69 to 12.61 in twenty four hours--good! Deep cycle marine battery--bad!
Really aggravates me that my bearings are knocking. Soooo.., disassembled again and will now try doubling up on the neos to make then 2" X 1" X 1 " and refashion the magnet mounts. Must contemplate better bearings. Other than that the next iteration will use three of my super drive coils @ 0, 90 and 180 degrees in series (one winding each with second winding used for recapture/charge) and two pickup coils (one 7 lb spool of 18 AWG wound on a 3/8" bolt and one 7 lb 20 AWG wound the same and placed at 240 and 320 degrees). Measuring with a handheld digital single trace scope and analog amp meter. That's what today will be and I'll keep you posted. I built many different window motors when Mikes motor hit these pages but like everyone else who attempted and failed to replicate, have moved on to the next stage.
@ REN Thanks mate, I'll try the light trick and yes I have several wirewound variable resistors I've been using in the trigger ckt. Also, in the Bedini SSG ckt he has a diode from base to emitter which effects that ckt in a major way. Any reason why it has to be there???
Will rebuild today and promise picks tomorrow or saturday.

I've found inumerable combinations that fail but it only spurs me to continue the quest.

tropes

Hoptoad
Page 7 http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html has loads of information (Great!) but without a Question and Answer period I'm afraid your audience will soon become the elite few.
Example: Re: Fig.20 "Group B has a definite advantage... because it will receive current from both directions...".
Question: What is creating current in both directions?
This may seem simple but most of this group is beginners (like me) and need help understanding even the simple concepts.
Thanks for the great info.
Tropes

Ren

 8)Awesome toad.... more learning for me.

@ tropes. I could be wrong but I believe Toad is talking about back emf and normal current flow. Every time you send current down a wire there is a reactive current that pushes the other way. Toads diagrams show various ways to harness this normally overlooked current and use it to charge another battery or cycle it back into the system. Once again, wait for someone to confirm this as it is only my understanding. Dont feel bad, I struggle to come to grips with most of what is written too, if it wasnt for the pictures I'd learn very little!!! lol


@casman. I believe the diode you refer to is there to allow current to flow only one way. (duh you say.) As for why I am unsure, but in a number of attempts I have not been able to make the circuit run unless it is there. Check out toadies page here http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html (page 2) for a more technical explaination.

tropes

Quote from: Ren on October 25, 2007, 06:03:49 PM
@ tropes. I could be wrong but I believe Toad is talking about back emf and normal current flow. Every time you send current down a wire there is a reactive current that pushes the other way. Toads diagrams show various ways to harness this normally overlooked current and use it to charge another battery or cycle it back into the system. Once again, wait for someone to confirm this as it is only my understanding. Dont feel bad, I struggle to come to grips with most of what is written too, if it wasnt for the pictures I'd learn very little!!! lol

Ren
I could be wrong but I believe Toad was talking about BEMF and the induced current caused by the magnet approaching the coil. You could be correct but my point is that the answer should come from the author.
Tropes

hoptoad

Quote from: tropes on October 25, 2007, 06:16:48 PM
Quote from: Ren on October 25, 2007, 06:03:49 PM
@ tropes. I could be wrong but I believe Toad is talking about back emf and normal current flow. Every time you send current down a wire there is a reactive current that pushes the other way. Toads diagrams show various ways to harness this normally overlooked current and use it to charge another battery or cycle it back into the system. Once again, wait for someone to confirm this as it is only my understanding. Dont feel bad, I struggle to come to grips with most of what is written too, if it wasnt for the pictures I'd learn very little!!! lol

Ren
I could be wrong but I believe Toad was talking about BEMF and the induced current caused by the magnet approaching the coil. You could be correct but my point is that the answer should come from the author.
Tropes

Hi guys. Sorry if things appear to be getting complicated.  ???  I've tried to keep things simple as I can.  :-\  Hope I haven't mislead any of you.

On page 6 I deliberately only talked about how the coils react to the pulsed supply current, but on page seven I am showing by way of arrows both the reaction to the supply current (with green arrows) and also whats happening with the Induced Current  (Induced EMF- shown by red arrows) from the magnets.

Quote from page 7:  "Group A will always take advantage of the pulsed supply, but it will only be influenced by the rotating magnets, when the current induced by the rotating magnets is in the same direction as that shown by the red arrow below winding B. This is because diode D1 only allows current through winding B in one direction. But Group B has a definite advantage as a generating coil because it will receive current from both directions induced by the magnets, shown by the red and green arrows below winding B, due to the full wave bridge, which allows this."


I hope it's not too confusing as I have deliberately kept the explanations to a minimum to avoid confusion.  :-[ But the best piece of information will come over the next few days when I talk about passive pick-up coils. This is where the Adams motor "Bends Lenz's Law"!

Cheers for now, happy motoring pulsars!  :)