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Circuit setups for pulse motors

Started by Nastrand2000, September 16, 2007, 10:46:33 PM

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hoptoad

Quote from: Ren on October 25, 2007, 06:03:49 PM
@ tropes. I could be wrong but I believe Toad is talking about back emf and normal current flow. Every time you send current down a wire there is a reactive current that pushes the other way. Toads diagrams show various ways to harness this normally overlooked current and use it to charge another battery or cycle it back into the system. Once again, wait for someone to confirm this as it is only my understanding. Dont feel bad, I struggle to come to grips with most of what is written too, if it wasnt for the pictures I'd learn very little!!! lol

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Ren
I could be wrong but I believe Toad was talking about BEMF and the induced current caused by the magnet approaching the coil. You could be correct but my point is that the answer should come from the author.
Tropes

Hi guys. Sorry if things appear to be getting complicated.  ???  I've tried to keep things simple as I can.  :-\  Hope I haven't mislead any of you.

On page 6 I deliberately only talked about how the coils react to the pulsed supply current, but on page seven I am showing by way of arrows both the reaction to the supply current (with green arrows) and also whats happening with the Induced Current  (Induced EMF- from the magnets - as shown by red arrows - )

Quote from page 7:  "Group A will always take advantage of the pulsed supply, but it will only be influenced by the rotating magnets, when the current induced by the rotating magnets is in the same direction as that shown by the red arrow below winding B. This is because diode D1 only allows current through winding B in one direction. But Group B has a definite advantage as a generating coil because it will receive current from both directions induced by the magnets, shown by the red and green arrows below winding B, due to the full wave bridge, which allows this."


I hope it's not too confusing as I have deliberately kept the explanations to a minimum to avoid confusion.  :-[ But the best piece of information will come over the next few days when I talk about passive pick-up coils. This is where the Adams motor "Bends Lenz's Law"!

Cheers for now, happy motoring pulsars!  :)

casman1969

Here are the promissed pics.
Working with one drive and one pickup to maximize in/out put. You may noticed the shielding on half of the magnets (ran out of shield #&%*&^*&??.).  I want to try 24 or 26 AWG on the pickups.
The 20 AWG I'm now using may be a bit much for this setup but will work with it for now. I like the splatter coil idea and will incorporate that later.

hoptoad

Hi all, I trust you've had a good week end.
I've had a very busy one.

I've finished writing up all the things I wanted to say about pulse motors.
Could have gone on forever but I won't. No time. I hope the info I've posted is useful to you
one way or another
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I also hope some of you take up the experiment challenge on page 10.

Am getting really busy at the moment. Won't have much time to scratch my as... :-\  :D
I'll probably just lurk around for a while, dropping in from time to time to see what you all
have been getting up to.

Here's the latest from me at : http://www.totallyamped.net/adams/index.html

Cheers and KneeDeep from the Toad who Hops  :)

Ren

I want to personally thank you toadie on behalf of all visitors and regulars here for all your efforts and instructionals. I found your final page extremely interesting. You have inspired me to experiment with something like this, time and finances providing. I wish you all the best and hope we see you from time to time in here. Dont be a stranger!

hoptoad

Quote from: Ren on October 29, 2007, 05:06:37 PM
I want to personally thank you toadie on behalf of all visitors and regulars here for all your efforts and instructionals. I found your final page extremely interesting. It struck me how similar your dc pmm powered alternator is to this setup built by Bedini and Watson. They used a flywheel to keep inertial momentum and pulsed power to the dc pmm for some amazing results.

You have inspired me to experiment with something like this, time and finances providing. I wish you all the best and hope we see you from time to time in here. Dont be a stranger!
Gidday Ren, Hop the Toad who Hops says yeh! Go for it !. You will easily repeat the effect I described. Its always there, in an open system, but  you just need a decent amount of "grunt", and the right, simple configuration, to expose it in an undeniable way.

As I stated, however, I don't believe this is O/U, but it is a pathway to simpler, more efficient systems of generation, because you are turning an ordinarily "bad", electrical vector into a "good" electrical vector. If you were driving the alternator with a petrol or diesel engine, the output characterics of an open system would deliver far move more value for money.

How does that vector change take place in an open system with no known contemporary reason? It's a BIG question.
I also have stated that I have an "Opinion", . This could only become "Theory" if it was proven to be correct by majority analysis.
I have not revealed my "Opinion" at this stage, because I do not want to influence the thinking of those who may do this experiment for themselves.
It will be nice to see what their untainted learning reveals to them. They will be looking with "Fresh" eyes at a subject which I have hit a brick wall!

Having just said that, I'll break my own rule, right now (LOL) and mention a point to ponder.  ;)

"Frequency" means everything. Very fast rotor speeds are dangerous!  Higher frequency for the same RPM = more magnets!
Use smaller diameter magnets and cores and use 10, 12, 14 any even number of magnet and core pairs. A 4 pole alternator doubles frequency with 8 poles, 8 to 16 etc.

Good luck, and be careful! Speed kills!  :P

KneeDeep, KneeDeep From the Toad who Hops