I need help with a KEELY project

[Grumpy]

None of these books have ever led to the development of a usable device of any sort.

This is an assumption.  No one is privy to every device ever created.  Keely's work and ideas have had a profound impact on many people and their work.   To say that no one has replicated his work may be correct, but to say that the study of his work has not lead to a usable device is presumpuous.   Replication of Keely's work is a grand goal, but many have indicated that this is not necessary to produce the same results.  There are many types of motors to propel an automobile, many means to an end.  Seek the "why" not the "how".

Incidentally Grumpy, the quotes in your earlier post are NOT from Keely. They are from a paper published by Professor Brinton, after Keely's death if I remember correctly.

Correct.  Those quotes are from YOUR web site, as are the frustated responses in the quotes.  The explanations are mine.  If you had taken more than a cursory glance at what I wrote you would have known that I pulled the quotes form your web site. There is a great deal of information in Moore's book.  I suggest a perusal of it to refresh your memory.

What is "real"?  It's all an illusion.  Dreams are illusion but they feel pretyt damn real when they occur.  Reality is realtive.

Philosophy is of the MIND, science is of the MIND's creation.  So, science can never exceed that which wrought it.  I doubt you will see the meaning of that, but the seed is planted none the less.

[hansvonlieven]

Of course the are from my website, but as quote from Professor Brinton, not from Keely. The point I was making is that Brinton NEVER understood Keely.

Hans von Lieven

[argona369]

>This is an assumption. No one is privy to every device ever created.

@Grumpy

Don?t be such an ass. Confrontation  yields nothing.

Han?s , how long have you been researching Keely?

>many of Keely's observations have been verified

So what discoveries???

G'day all,

Because of some private mail I have received in relation to Keely criticising the approach taken by me I feel I need to say a little more on the subject.

Keely's theories have been around for some 150 years now. They have been studied by many, and many a book has been written on the subject. All those books center around the metaphysical aspect of his theories and seek validation of Keely's ideas from sources like the Bible, The Bhagavad Gita, The Vedas and a lot of theosophical teachings from Helena Blavatski to Leadbeater, Annie Besant and Clara Bloomfield Moore and so forth.

None of these books have ever led to the development of a usable device of any sort.

In the meantime many of Keely's observations have been verified since and a number of devices have emerged in recent years confirming that Keely was on a solid scientific track. These re-discoveries were not made by people who claim to have a deep spiritual understanding of Keely's philosophy, but by engineers trained in conservative physics.

Keely can be understood through his devices alone. It may well be that his theories are as hollow as much of today's scientific thinking.

Whatever he discovered is either real or it is not. If it is real it can be found out again. Fancy theories might point in a direction and suggest an approach but it is replication of his work that is the ultimate arbiter of what is real and what not.

Incidentally Grumpy, the quotes in your earlier post are NOT from Keely. They are from a paper published by Professor Brinton, after Keely's death if I remember correctly.

Hans von Lieven

[hansvonlieven]

G'day argona,

I have been researching Keely on and off for over 30 years. If you have a look at my website http://www.keelytech.com you will get an idea where I am coming from.

Sonoluminescence for instance was first described by Keely and not re-discovered until 1934. The disintegration of quartz by sonic vibration was first demonstrated by Keely, today they pulverise garbage using sound waves. Keely showed antigravity by sound waves, this has not been achieved yet but acoustic levitation has recently been achieved in the laboratory. There are other things, too much to get into here, though fact is, physics is catching up slowly with Keely when it comes to acoustics.

Besides, Keely was the first to state that enormous energies were locked up in the "interstitial spaces of corpuscles" (Keely's term for subatomic particles) This statement more than anything else discredited him with the scientific world of the day. All you have to do is look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki to see how right he was.

Hans von Lieven

[Pirate88179]

Hans:

Have you given any thought to what might happen if/when you are successful?  Well, I guess since you have been working on it for 30 years, I suppose you have...but my point is this: Just as the end result of  nuclear research gave us and the world, the bomb, if Keely was correct, once that Geni is out of the bottle...what then?  I am just amazed that to this day, the only real advances that came out of the Manhatten Project were the bombs, and being able to boil water to make power.

Suppose you unlock a way to cause fission using more readily available materials as opposed to plutonium?  Would this not put a very powerful weapon in the hands of many less advanced peoples?  I don't mean to sound like a doomsday wet blanket here but if you were able to replicate even some of Keely's claimed results, then some would use it for good and some for evil. I guess I am just looking at the other side of what could be a tremendous advance.  In other words, I trust a man, I don't trust mankind.


Bill