Giantkiller moves forward into Full Heterodyning.

[casman1969]

GK,

Now you've confused me a bit... Are you trying to use the Averanko plug to provide signal generation?
Regardless, Your findings are extremely exciting and I will be building this in a little while. Meanwhile, I have to do my part to help save America NOW.
We Will be using oil for some time to come and if Americans don't get their heads out of the sand and start drilling NOW, we will have no country left.
This and other sites hold the key to the future if we can only make it to the future. The clock is ticking friends. Write your congressmen and Senators and DEMAND we release the oil we already have.
We do have it and they WON'T pump it??
Gas soon to go to $8.00 a gallon and it could just as easily be $1.50!!!!!!!
Bush could executive order this but won't.
I'm pushing for a massive march on Washington to get this done with the date to follow soon.
Those of you outside the US will benifit from our actions so stay tuned, we're in for one hell of a ride.

Carl
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147

[giantkiller]

@casman1969,
I was pulling another visual pattern from the Naudin schematic. The end stage of diodes and caps interested me. The neon also is a sparkgap. This also appears at the base of Telsa coils.

The stun gun circuit has this type of combination also.
The potential is built using an oscillator thru a step up transformer till the crossover point. Spark! We use a spark gap to impress a very high potential into a coil to get the desired effect.

The only difference between the Avramenko, telsa coils is the stun gun coil which can be an audio coil.
Avramenko and Telsa coils are parallel while the stun gun coils are 2 stages with cktry in between.

The small SM only drove light bulbs but we never saw sparks. The SM17 drove light bulbs and ac loads. The light buld was a non matched ac load. It needs no special driving. It is just a resistor / small inductor. But the SM 17 drove matched AC loads. The signal has to be correct into an ac device. The invertor does this but it also needs the correct signal in.

SM said he modified the convertor. The SM17 also shot sparks. The invertor was intefaced to this. Steel or iron wound coil  to slow the high speed down.

All this leads up to the type of coil and where it is. If you have seen Peter Lindeman's hotel demo, that motor looks very similar to Bill Muller's back yard motor. A rotor spins. Shades of the Bedini motor. This was not first.

What are we doing? CEMF harvesting. Peter's motor isn't that big. Look at the Bedini motor. The 2 magnetic slice past each other. Kick! Same as the stun gun internal spark gap only slower.

Create a spark or CEMF kick, match the coil with the frequency to get the closest thing to 0 current. That is the tuning. Just raise or change the mass balance of the 2 coils for greater output. All SM's coils are flat or low profile telsa coils. Why don't they eject energy into the air? That has to do with the primary to secondary mass ratio and turns are part of that. Put copper against copper at high frequency.

What is the tuned frequency of a ignition coil, a Tesla coil, a stun gun? 5khz to 20khz. Nothing more. I repeat, nothing more! Look around and where ever you see Tesla designs that is the freq range. Except for the 60hz grid. Why? Fat copper = high mass. Telsa ran high current and high speed through fat copper and look at the results.

The effect comes the inductive CEMF not from the driving circuit. You can spend a helluva lotta time on producing the kick. It doesn't getcha anywhere. It is the CEMF that is the monster kick! The higher the fast impedance kicks in,  the more power in the field and not thru the conductors.

Current thru a conductor creates a field. Greater current sends the field farther. Faster current creates radio. Real fast current creates sparks between two terminals. And very fast current jumps across great non-concudictive(?) distances, arcs. Keep the energy in the field and spin it against another field.

What if the SM17 black box has a very high impedance coil in inside? In other words he split the coil in 2 layers. We only see one of the coils of the flat ignition type coil. After all, wires go down into the center. And into the box? We have seen smoke and mirrors, and double speak in that arena before.

Ignition coils, audio coils, Tesla coils, stun gun coils. All driven by the resonant frequency. How big is the potential when the freq is bang on? We are not driving the coil, we are pushing it faster that it can respond. And not in frequency but in resonancy.
You feed the correct frequencies into a coil for resonancy, which lowers the current draw. Hit it with a spark gap and you don't need resonant input. It is just way too fast and the coil spits out energy. The copper mass is highly agitated. See?

--giantkiller.  You could fit a 1 shot stun gun in a Cracker Jack prize!

[Hoppy]

@ Giantkiller

Your last post about CEMF is very close to the Mark I would say - excuse the pun.

I have experimented for a long time with Bedini devices and can create the ringing type waveforms you have recently posted using the iron / copper wire combinations. I am of the opinion having carefully read the various TPU threads over the last year or so that the TPU is a relatively simple device that uses inductive coil discharge into high impedance to generate high voltage that is then transformed down a degree to drive a load. In the process of this the initial power source is rapidly pulse charged on alternative pulses. I have driven 100W lamps from relatively small Nicad batteries using very simple 1:1 air cored transformers at frequencies within the 5 - 20KHz band you mention.

Runaway situations are not uncommon and can be frightening. I have often wondered where the power comes from but have never been able to control them. I have never openly published schematics because they are basically dangerous especially in the hands of innexperienced experimenters. I think even the small SM TPU could pack a deadly punch. The important point is that I do not believe that there is anything particularly complicated in the TPU. All that's needed is an oscillator, coils, drivers and most importantly a power source of very low impedance such as good quality Nicad batteries. The art is in running the load and maintaining the PSU for as long as possible and keeping the whole thing reasonably stable without melting down!

The following is basically what I think the SM TPU setup consists of: Hidden Nicad batteries power a Bedini configured oscillator which uses a bifilar wound 1:1 ferrite cored toroid transformer. The high voltage discharge from this coil is full wave rectified and alternately switched between driving another transformer -that forms a series resonant circuit with the load (the big coils in the TPU) - and pulsed back to the source battery on the positive leg only at a low frequency using some form of simple mecanical vibrator. The load is connected directly across the secondary winding of the transformer. There are other variations that have worked for me but it takes a lot of experimenting and burnt fingers to get optimum performance for a given coil setup! I have not experimented using iron wire but this may well further improve performance. I think SM found through experimentation, an optimum design and ratio for his coils but the control electronics was basic and minimal.

Hoppy

[giantkiller]

@Hoppy,
Iron or steel core keeps the range of the output terminal distance to produce sparks, although 1" looks like arcs. Air cores, like Telsa coils, Colorado springs and Wardenclyffe allows true arcing for great distances. Telsa found out how to go beyond that with the scalar beam projection.
The SM TPUs had metal cores or the coil itself would arc. I saw this driving the GK4 with a stun gun. The circuit completed through me at the last stage as arcing. I was shoving to much out of balance signal into a coil that was not made for that. But by driving it with a lower energy, just plain pulsing, the coil emitted a lower energy which burned. It still felt like streamers.

Here are 2 clues which are the most important. SM said 'We built over 3 hundred' and 'I got burned alot'. I skipped the 300 by reconizing the stungun ckt. But the 'burned' is the shield of honor for testing out the theories. And then one knows for sure what is going on.  After that, the design criteria swung into Tesla. If he didn't do then it isn't worth doing.

A primary of 200 turns of 1/4"bendable copper tubing, 20,000 turns of 30awg on a 4" diam 2 foot length of pcv tube. Fire the primary with an ignition coil or flyback like Marx coil, below 10khz. Stand back. Tune till satisfied. That is why SM cut wires.

--giantkiller.

[ramset]

GIANT KILLER  I have been watching a long time your thread   you are a HERO here  If I could ask a favor   I have a person that has been very involved in the space program as EE boss  last night i showed him your scope shots he seemed confused something about where is the ground  and some other means of measuring on the scope you use   is there anyway you could clarify just one scope shot [say what is going on so I can try to get him to understand this  Chet PS he thinks overunity is INSANITY [how he was schooled]  you seem to have the rub in your nose kind of proof I/ WE need  Thanks