Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(

[clearchrome]

Hi.
I have nothing to solve your problems, but I want to say that I think that your observation is perhaps the solution for many others.
How often did we hear about device that woked as long as a stator was held by hand? All those devices failed as soon as the stator was mounted. But perhaps the stator should be flexibel mounted (like your Scotch tape)? Perhaps the Minato wheel works when the stator can move a bit back and forward?
Thanks you for sharing your observation.
Regards,
Eric Vogels.

Youre absolutly right!
   If you look also at the Torbay motor from Argentine, well guess what! You actually see moving parts as the field configuration is constantly changing ...this concept is starting to be a valid start.

[clearchrome]

@jeffc

Thanks!

Yes, I can use that to cover the X motion of the magnet.

As for the X-Y I was thinking of a spring mounted magnet, look at my picture. The spring diameter and height would have to be determined with experimentation.

For the rotation, I'm still thinking. (I keep thinking of those key wrench, but not very handy here)! Ha!

[Low-Q]

Hi.
I have nothing to solve your problems, but I want to say that I think that your observation is perhaps the solution for many others.
How often did we hear about device that woked as long as a stator was held by hand? All those devices failed as soon as the stator was mounted. But perhaps the stator should be flexibel mounted (like your Scotch tape)? Perhaps the Minato wheel works when the stator can move a bit back and forward?
Thanks you for sharing your observation.
Regards,
Eric Vogels.

Helding by hand will not provide a "linear" or perfect repititive action when it's interfered with mechanical or magnetic setups. A physically flexible hardware device, will however be able to "copy" all motions in it for each turn of a rotor. The forces acting on a flexible hardware will move the flexible harware accordingly to the force introduced. Helding by hand, this flexibility in the hand can be counterforced by partly, whithout knowing it, holding it back by your own force - preventing the movement in the flexible hand to move accordingly to the force acting on it. Therefor, by use of a flexible hardware, all forces and counter forces will be identical for every turn. The flexibility of a hand is not a motion that is the exact copy of the previous motion. Therefor a device might work for a while in one direction, and the opposite direction when holding it by hand. I think the solution might be something else. A fixed and flexible hardware I do not think is the solution to OU.

Maybe one should play with magnetic cancellation which prevents sticky points. Then using the repelling forces only to provide rotation. Just an idea I have been playing with for a while


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[jeffc]

@jeffc

Thanks!

Yes, I can use that to cover the X motion of the magnet.

As for the X-Y I was thinking of a spring mounted magnet, look at my picture. The spring diameter and height would have to be determined with experimentation.

For the rotation, I'm still thinking. (I keep thinking of those key wrench, but not very handy here)! Ha!

@clearchrome

Do you think that the original working version you made created enough motion to demand using a spring?  Having not witnessed it, I'm only trying to visualize.  I guess the 3M tape would have allowed motion in multiple directions, but I would also guess that the primary movement of the magnets would be away from the force applied.  Thats what made me think of a hinge type arrangement, because I can imagine a force causing a tilt, but if the force was strong enough to make the magnet move verticle in any significant way, I can't see how it would self run for about a minute, as I would think the magnet would come loose almost instantly. 

I'm concerned that with a spring approach, the magnet can move around in unproductive directions.  While I know we are looking for an unbalanced arrangement to create continuous motion, I think that magnets given too much freedom of motion will find their natural equalibrium (no motion).  So I think the trick is to give just a little freedom of motion, just enough to vary the flux in a way that prevents lockup. 

These are just thoughts, as I am no magnetic expert!  I'm just trying to envision your first version as it worked, and I think the motion of magnets was probably very small and limited primarilly to how the force could interact with the tension of the tape.

Regards,
jeffc

[jeffc]

@jeffc

Thanks!

Yes, I can use that to cover the X motion of the magnet.

As for the X-Y I was thinking of a spring mounted magnet, look at my picture. The spring diameter and height would have to be determined with experimentation.

For the rotation, I'm still thinking. (I keep thinking of those key wrench, but not very handy here)! Ha!

If multi-axis motion is really needed, take a look at this option.  Allows a range of motion but should be more limited/controlled than a spring.  Note you'd have to figure out how to make this work on a CD.  I think instead of a nail, you could just use an inverted flat head bolt and adjust a nut from the top to vary the amount of "play" the stiff L can make. 

Again, I'm not sure if you really need this much range of motion, because I can't visualize there being that much motion in your original model.  But if you do, this might provide the level of control and ability to vary the motion limits which could benefit the experiments.  I think it would be much harder to make spring variations (length, material, coil diameter, etc.) but with this arrangement you could more easily vary the height of the "nail" (or bolt/nut combo) and to position to vary the motion characteristics.

Regards,
jeffc