TPU - General Discussion

[tao]

I am certain SM measured 7.3 Hz, and was not saying this because it happens to be close to the SR.

I like Marco, and respect his work, but I am not convinced his magnet demo illustrates tapping the SR. There have been no replications I know of supporting this notion, and Marco himself has not demonstrated the same effect and frequency with different mass magnets. Until such time, I don't buy into this tapping effect at all.

Agreed, a test must be done first to duplicate marco's results, and a tests done with differing sized magnets to confirm the 7.8Hz effect isn't based on that particular setup.

It is curious however that the 7.3 Hz and 5-6 kHz frequencies are specifically quoted by SM. Clues from his material does not suggest these frequencies are applied by the controller. Perhaps they manifest as an artifact of the actual applied frequencies and how they interact in the coils.

I agree about this also, the 5-6khz frequencies, like the low Hz vibration, could all just be artifacts from the conversion process which uses totally different frequencies.

[turbo]

i have seen it a dozen times in dozen diffrent setups.
it is like a crank shaft with some resistance but when you feed it with the right frequency, it moves more freely like if you put a drop of grease on it.

I simply cannot tape everything i do, it is not that hard to do these simple but intresting experiments, and if i am able to generate these events, so can you,or anybody who is willing to see....

Steven sais the unit vibrates at 7 point 3 cycles a second.
In the other video he states when the frequency's "slap" together, it has an effect.

He was a Speaker designer, take in account the cork like substance it could be used to allow the coils to vibrate at such low frequency's.
we dont need a cone, because we cannot hear that low and it isn't a speaker....or is it?
Then we move to an ultra low frequency microphone.
If we cancel the flux, or demodulate the signals so to speak, the outcoming wave will be the sound which was already present...
if we amplify this sound and feed it in reverse or out of phase, back into the system it will build up a resonance with the sound which was/is already there.
Steven once said "It should be a lot easer to use tubes to strike the right cord and
develop the right sound to make the best sound."

Take a simple voice coil, look at it as if it was the collector.
how can we produce power from a voice coil?
we need to move the cone, but it seems there isn't any.....
So we have to move the magnet , or the field.
What about a magnetic cone then...
If the cone is magnetic ,not paper or whatever they make them these day's, the frequency would still be dependent on the circumference, but it's medium would not be air, it would be magnetic fields.....
Then the microphone would not pick up sound waves but magnetic waves,like the humm.

I am working hard again to finance my next set of experiments and i will try to find a way to record my findings so i can share them with them who are intrested.

Marco.

[acerzw]

Marco,

That is a very interesting take on the idea, I think as you are doing it is really important to focus in on the what SM knew, how he thought as an audio engineer. He discovered this by accident, he did not setup complicated rigs at the start with complicated controllers etc. From his writings you get the impression that it was discovered as an artifact  of something else he was doing. He then entered into a long development time to improve the power output performance etc, by analysing the effect and enhancing it by tuning or modifying the coil, finding the best material to use and then designing an effective control circuit and feedback mechanism to make it self-running.

I am convinced the basic effect is simple, was discovered in error during his other projects? I think he stated somewhere what he was working on when he discovered the effect. We need to find out about that and then work from there.

He also states that he has given away too much, enough to build a working replication from his point of view, so in order to make the best use of it we need to adopt his point of view.

In order to try and contribute to this effort and encourage this idea I am going to do a re-working of all the information that he has given on the matter and then post if for all. I have learnt a lot from everyone on here, for which I am very grateful so hopefully I can give a bit back.

Acerzw...

[EMdevices]

I like what you're saying marco and I tend to agree.

I am conviced of one thing,   SOMETHING RESONATES inside the TPU, hence the need to TUNE to the right frequency.

What that SOMETHING is, we need to find out.  

There can be a lot of things/phenomena and modes that resonate.


1) is it acoustic vibrations?  (like a tunning fork)
2) is it magnetostriction resonance?  (also related to acoustic/mass movement)
3 is it simple magnetic/mass resonance?  (restoring force is magnetic field)
4) is it simple electromagnetic resonance? (like in a LC tank)
5) is it longitudinal electromagnetic standing wave type of resonance? (like in Tesla Coils)
6) etc..

Because the TPU loses it's signal when upside down, it's so obvious that it behaves like an antenna. 
So, an antenna receiving system will need a high Q resonant tank to amplify the small signals.  That's why I say there has to be something that resonates.

Now, if it's not an antenna, and it still resonates (like SM says), then we still need a resonating tank.  Either way, there is a RESONATING TANK of sorts employed by the TPU. 

EM

P.S.   Lately I've been thinking it's MAGNETOSTRICTION.   That's why my TPU uses ..... IRON.... wire 

The ferromagnetic materials used in magnetostrictive position  sensors are transition metals such as iron, nickel, and cobalt.   In these metals, the 3d electron shell is not completely filled, which allows the formation of a magnetic moment. (i.e., the shells closer to the nucleus than the 3d shell arc complete, and they do not contribute to the magnetic moment). As electron spins are rotated by a magnetic field, coupling between the electron spin and electron orbit causes electron energies to change. The crystal then strains so that electrons at the surface can relax to states of lower energy. When a material has positive magnetostriction, it enlarges when placed in a magnetic field; with negative magnetostriction, the material shrinks. The amount of magnetostriction in base elements and simple alloys is small, on the order of 10-6 m/m.

... and so energy swoops in to our TPU   

[BEP]

@EM

When you are working with magnetostriction please watch one thing that is generally missed.

Even if your scope says a higher frequency is there - touch the core with your fingers - see if you can notice movement or mechanical pulsing. You should and that frequency can be thousands of times slower that what the scope says.
If your core is made of multiple elements and you do have the low frequency pulsing you should see the elements (separate wires?) constrict and relax like a jerking muscle.

Steel wire does not do well with this. Better is annealed(Sp?) iron wire. The core material cannot be held too tight in-place. Tight means restricted movement. Too loose and you burn a coil