SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[Omnibus]

Hi,

Is the red bungee cord fixed in point X? Is the bungee cord some kind of a rubber band with a ball fixed at the other end?

Yes, this is what I meant, Low-Q.  It is exactly like a rubber band.

I also don't see how in the original SMOT example, the ball spontaneously returns to B.  It only returns to A.  The experimenter has to lift it to B.

In the original SMOT example your B is A. Don't confuse these things.

[Low-Q]

Hi,

Is the red bungee cord fixed in point X? Is the bungee cord some kind of a rubber band with a ball fixed at the other end?

Yes, this is what I meant, Low-Q.  It is exactly like a rubber band.

I also don't see how in the original SMOT example, the ball spontaneously returns to B.  It only returns to A.  The experimenter has to lift it to B.

In the original SMOT example your B is A. Don't confuse these things.

You must consider both SMOT and shruggedatlas idea in the way the ball feels force - or how the ball will behave according to the forces applied to it. Point A in a SMOT is point A in shruggedatlas idea. Point B in a SMOT is point B in shruggedatlas idea. Point C in a SMOT is point C in shruggedatlas idea.

Vidar

[Omnibus]

Hi,

Is the red bungee cord fixed in point X? Is the bungee cord some kind of a rubber band with a ball fixed at the other end?

Yes, this is what I meant, Low-Q.  It is exactly like a rubber band.

I also don't see how in the original SMOT example, the ball spontaneously returns to B.  It only returns to A.  The experimenter has to lift it to B.

In the original SMOT example your B is A. Don't confuse these things.

You must consider both SMOT and shruggedatlas idea in the way the ball feels force - or how the ball will behave according to the forces applied to it. Point A in a SMOT is point A in shruggedatlas idea. Point B in a SMOT is point B in shruggedatlas idea. Point C in a SMOT is point C in shruggedatlas idea.

Vidar

Don't splash your stupidity any more here.

[Omnibus]

Like I said, @shroggedatlas' example need not be discussed any further bcause it isn't analogous to SMOT. Unlike SMOT, a spring or a bungee cord, as in @shruggedatlas' example, cannot remain in an extended state spontaneously.

[Koen1]

Omnibus, you may not like to hear it, but you're talking nonsense yourself.

first of all, don't tell people to stop confusing things in the same sentence where you do some confusing
of your own.
Shruggedatlas's drawing is NOT of a SMOT, it is of the example Shrugged gave using a ramp, a ball,
and a rubber band. Point A is exactly point A in that pic.
Your refusal to accept Shruggeds drawing as a comparable situation does not at all change that
example, and it also does not change it into a SMOT depiction if you switch A and B in Shrugged's pic.

Second of all, your aggressive reactions seem to imply a need to compensate, and in general this
tendency is recognised in either men who are very short of stature, or men who are short in the pelvic department,
but certainly not in people who know they are right and can prove it.
Since you never come up with any proof (and I mean EMPIRICAL proof, not your fantasies), you leave
very few options open here. Do you not see you are undermining yourself by reacting in this way?

Third, in the SMOT, all the ball does is roll up the ramp. If you pull it back a bit from the start of the ramp,
a sort of "magnetic spring effect" will take place, where the ball will gain some extra speed/momentum
while it is attracted toward the ramp, and that added speed may allow it to "shoot" off the ramp when
it has reaced the end of the ramp.
When you don't pull the ball back, it does not "shoot" off, it gets stuck at the end of the ramp, where
the magnetic field is a lot stronger than anywhere else.
I have tested this myself as have many others. The extra energy added by the "magnetic spring effect"
is in fact input when you pull the ball back, and it is this very energy that is needed for the ball to break free.
For the ball to return to its starting point, it first needs to break free of the magnetic attraction at the very
point where that attraction is strongest, and then it would need to roll back around to the starting point.
Once the ball is no longer attracted, yet still at nearly the same height, then it will roll back around, or at
least it can be made to do so. That's not the difficult part.
The problem is getting it unstuck. It doesn't do so by itself.

And at this point I expect you to start swearing and calling me all kinds of nasty things, as you usually do.
But that is in no way a valid reply.

You are the one claiming you can get the SMOT to loop,
why don't you PROVE IT?
Very simple: film that closed-loop SMOT of yours.
You have one, right? If not, then what are you getting so hyped up about?
And if you do, then simply post a video of your looping SMOT, and stop fighting people over it.

If you are going to react with hostility and slander again, without any proof,
then we will all be forced to conclude you are just a windbag making lots of noise
but when push comes to shove you're just full of shit.