US Patent Office Has Granted Patents for Perpetuum Mobile

[ForeverBlissed]

Wow!

This thread has really degraded fairly quickly into smelling like the armpits of human existence.

Frankly, I'm impressed with how quickly we were able to get from patents to prejudice.

Maybe we should write a new book using this thread as the starting point?

Instead of "Pride and Prejudice"... we would do, "Patents and Prejudice".

Who knows... it might sell a hundred copies!

Shirley, we cun do bedder dan dis.

FB

[Pirate88179]

@ForeverBlisse:

Agreed 100%

Bill

[Freenrg4me]

Dearest Bill,

A comma before the word and? I think they covered that in forth grade didn't they?

I quoted racist Zionist and that is not propaganda, that is historical fact.

I think that it is funny that some of you are too stupid to realize that I am not a racist. It is like you can't comprehend what you read. Quite the opposite is true but you filter out reality with your id based ego, your own racist views or the mind control propaganda that you are fed every day through the media.

Is it your filter on reality that someone else pointed out earlier or a reading comprehension problem?

I keep waiting for someone to go back, read all the posts and say, oops!

I seriously can't stop laughing about this. Snap into reality! Read and comprehend with an open, unfiltered mind the posts. It is like black is white, up is down with some of you people.

Enjoy you day Bill.

[Pirate88179]

@Freenrg4me:

Yes, welcome to the world of the educated.  I also have a degree in journalism and the comma before "and" is optional and accepted.  But, you might not know this as it would require reading, and learning, etc.  Hey, I put a comma before etc.  This too is optional.  And, (Hey, I started a sentence with the word "and", which is accepted but frowned upon.) if we all are "too stupid" to understand you, why do you keep posting this crap on a scientific site?  As I said before, at the risk of repeating myself, why don't we go back to overunity?  Unless, you think we are too stupid for that also. (Hey, I ended the sentence with the word "also".  This too is accepted but not used very often as it can appear to be awkward.)

Bill

[shruggedatlas]

Question is, regarding reexamination, what constitutes prior art? Can the fact that Science denies the workability of such machines (and therefore they cannot be new and useful as the law requires) be prior art? If it can, it would be newly discovered prior art regarding the patent in question (and all related prior patents, of course) which should render the patent invalid. What do you think?.

The prior art can indeed be newly discovered.  However, the prior art itself must of course predate the patent filing date, preferably by a few months.

There is a whole body of law on what is and what is not prior art, and I am not an expert, but generally speaking, any type of publicly published information or built devices that show the same concept would qualify.  Private letters, documents and conversations generally do not count.  Sadly, the fact that the laws of physics or other branches of science render the device impossible would not constitute prior art.  Still, if you want to smack this patent, find a similar device from an earlier time.  Just be prepared for a fight.  Patent holders can be very creative in differentiating their ideas.

See, the point is that revoking te patent isn't my intention. My intention, as I said at the beginning, is to smoke out the person claiming perpetuum mobile and have him demonstrate in flesh in blood what he has patented (which if he doesn't do should, of course, lead to invalidation of the patent). Some of us here have a lot of experience with such "discoverers" who flash their devices only to disappear later. Recall Torbay, Mike Brady (Perendev), Steorn, Danny from Ohio, several Canadian dudes, etc. etc. Steorn and the like, for instance, ask you to sign a NDA which is similar to killing the possibility to uncover the truth. Here in this case we have involvement of an official governmental organization paid for by our taxes which is backing (protecting) claims for perpetuum mobile. That's a whole new level of the story. Government must be accountable brfore its citizens, musn't it? It cannot hide behind NDA's and must abide by its own laws. The problem now is to find the exact avenue to pursue this accountability.

Well, the name of the person who owns the patent is public information, so there is no need to smoke him out.  As far as having a working model, it is pretty apparent that there is no working model and can be no working model, so a demonstration is never going to happen.

The problem you face is that you have an agenda that almost no one in the PTO, the court system, or in the private sector cares about.  The USPTO cares about protecting inventions and not handing out patents for ideas already patented.  Patent holders similarly care about protecting their own inventions.  Organizations such as the ones you listed care about protecting others from patent trolls.  No one cares about nonworking patents, because they have no value and cause no harm to anyone.  Someone is just out $20K or whatever.  Sure, in an ideal world, with infinite resources, we would like to have enough patent examiners to be able to flush out nonworking ideas, but this is not critical to a well functioning patent system.

The big problem with patents right now is how easily they are granted on working, but non-original or relatively obvious ideas, and this is where patent reformers tend to focus their efforts.  Your complaint, while valid, is frankly not as pressing of a problem.