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Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

Started by hartiberlin, October 11, 2007, 05:28:41 PM

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ramset

BEN we know its 95 99% efficient the sec he has looks bigger than mine [coil]  Chet PS 'calculations based upon evolved gas using a factor 2.7 watts per liter' 1.4 volts per anode times 2  2.8volts 
Aether   each sec  with 2 carbons  adds 37% to the cell   each sec uses 2.7 watts   power is linear production is not [I think]
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DrStiffler

Quote from: aether22 on August 07, 2008, 07:19:13 PM
What I do is come up with correlations, and while it's just a curiosity at this moment I may have found one.

Stiffler told me something and said 'private' so I checked with him first and it appears that he's given me the Ok but the reply was defiantly short and non expressive so I hope I'm not going beyond what he meant or wished, anyhow when my SEC attempt failed Stiffler informed me that "base circuit causes bifurcation", he said some other stuff but let's just stick to that. (I will note that he did mention not all transistors work, though I think he has likely mentioned that before?)

Ben mentioned something weird in the Bifurcated electrolysis circuit.

Then there is the optical coherence circuit Stiffler made which again used Bifurcation.
And of course the AV plug.

And JLN's AFEP, Tesla coils, Autoignotion coils and various others, parallel bucking bifilar and caduceus coils?
I 'untangled' Hendershots circuit recently and it seems to fit very well.
Ed Gray's 'Splitting the positive'?

So is there something that happens in such circuits?

Could it be separation of 2 different current types?
Or slamming of different currents into each other which excites the aether/lattice? (of course that does not fit the term)
Or currents flowing 2 directions in the same wire?
Does current loop around in the 2 branches (as in an AV plug)?
Is there induction between the branches? (I'd guess not in all cases)

There could be multiple effects and plenty of reasons both conventional and unconventional for such a circuit topology, and  you don't give it the right conditions it won't work, assuming the correlation is valid which it could easily not be given the lack of data.

This is due to it's simplicity and commonality not going to be a very easy correlation to prove by growing it by further data mining.

But if you are like me you look for 'keys' for 'secrets' that engage the unconventional component in all of this technology then this might be something to try out, a design feature to add.

Of course Stiffler could give his opinion about this as it is almost exclusively his circuits I'm correlating , is this Bifurcation a key tool for tapping/disrupting the lattice? (If he doesn't know what I'm talking about you can pretty much rule this correlation out, but so far it seems to be a favorite circuit design and observation of his)

@aether22 @All
The jiggle, ping, poke, tear, vibrate, excite or whatever one wishes to call it (of the spatial lattice) is indeed caused by the extreme bandwidth of an Exciter. The reason behind this is not easily modeled because before you can do this one must believe that there is an energy lattice that can be accessed and when so done, return energy to the primary circuit.

The SEC Exciters are bifurcating oscillators as well as negative resistance oscillators. This is a complex behavior in a fully active device which operated both in the linear and non-linear modes. If it will just bifurcation there are a few very good papers, one of whic was done on the Colpitts oscillator model. Although the basic model for a SEC Exciter is closer to the Clapp oscillator. You might look at JLN's sight for his Negistor work. Seeing this you will understand the difficulty of modeling my design.

As to commonality between SEC and the other mentioned systems, I do not know, I know little about them and some only in passing.
All things are possible but some are impractical.

DrStiffler

Quote from: ramset on August 07, 2008, 07:45:45 PM
BEN we know its 95 99% efficient the sec he has looks bigger than mine [coil]  Chet PS 'calculations based upon evolved gas using a factor 2.7 watts per liter' 1.4 volts per anode times 2  2.8volts
Aether   each sec with 2 carbons adds 37% to the cell   each sec uses 2.7 watts power is linear production is not [I tkink]
@ramset
Chet, it is a bit more complicated than a simple answer like this. First for anyone to understand what they are looking at, one should look at some of the YouTube FAKED videos where they are burning Alcohol, Gasoline and what ever. Simply looking at the flame of these videos tell pages of the story.

Most people that have worked with HHO and burned it know full well of the extreme speed of hydrogen as compared to the oxygen. Now another fact is that even if I were Merlin the Magician it would be very difficult to place a catalyzer in that small Al tube holding the wick. Now looking at the work of Kanzius/Roy one should compare the flames from my unit and theirs. I think their flame wonders about because the water is avtive (I may be wrong). Kanzius states his will work down to 3% solution, but again he is +200W.

My demo uses 100% saturation and the power is 12.655V@86.35mA so we have a bit of a difference. My flame is very calm, I sure wish someone would send me a Sterling Engine.  ;D
All things are possible but some are impractical.


aether22

In an attempt to reduce any negative effect of my blabbermouthery I tried to post this as a modification but the modify time passed too fast.


Update:

Ok, watched the vid, very interesting that the flame had the bubbling, the energy field is effecting even combustion seemingly.
I don't have a clue how much energy is going into the SEC or coming out of the flame, but I am happy to agree it's OU, that was IMO established when he released the plans (he's rightly paranoid about claiming OU and being wrong or unsure and he's very competent).

So, the question now is can it be made practical, or the question I rather even more is can we not have the same multiplication effect with an electrical output?
But keeping on topic really what needs to be done is to either:

Make it so practical people use it for heating. Heat pumps are more efficient than electrical heaters, and the SEC will lose energy from conventional battery charging, might have to be beyond 300% to attract people but that seems to be doable, however it seems doubtful the current SEC's are powerful enough for this to be practical, and storage of produced gas is probably a bad idea.

Make a demo that is obviously crazy OU and have people replicate it as a demo more than anything practical.

Close the loop, not awfully easy though as heat/combustion to electricity is inefficient, no idea how a fuel cell works and I have no idea if that could work for a H and O mix.

Or finally figure out what's going on and make it dramatically bigger and better, things might grow in unexpected ways.

Stiffler (Or Ben), could you give your impression, your guess as to how much output (in liters per minute, or watts of heat and light) a current 15-3 SEC could output without going insane with adding more and more pairs? (say 20 pairs max)

Also does adding more pairs lower the electrical input or just raise the gas output, or both?
And how does the 37% efficiency increase work?

What's the best approach? Stiffler?

>>Be creative and work fast, very fast.   
Ominous

>>If you want me back on this thread I would expect that you all will police it for me. I'm sick of the crap and I have tried so if you ever want anymore, help me on this, Ok?

What are the main issues? (that we should attempt to police in ourselves or others)
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