Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[hartiberlin]

Hi Ron and Amigo,
thanks for all the new infos.

I really must get such a core and see myself these extreme
resonances.
Also my function generator goes only with the trick to about 3  Mhz,
so it is not good enough for these things.

I also had an old ferrite core, with some coils handwrapped around it already
from former experiments, but there the output of the LEDs still
was lower...

So I guess we really need special core with the Litz wire
and the exact same setup as Ron has to get these very high Q resonances
and extract the power this way.

It still puzzles me, how Ron can extract this free energy with just a ground
wire.

Where is the excitationcoming in then from?

I have read an article a while ago, which stated, that some
LEDs or diodes have some kind of negative resistance
region inside the current flowing direction and thus
can oscillate in the conduction direction.
It was not a tunneddiode or something like this,
it was a special sort of LEDs when I remember correctly..

So Ron,could you please try this grounded wire
experiment with some other LEDs and also with
some other core ?
Will this also work ?

We have to see exactly how only with a ground wire
we can generate this power without any batteries...

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[terry1094]

@stefan

Thanks !

That's what I first tried, and it made it brighter, but I noticed I do not get any change now that I have the Al foil underneath it...

Hi, Amigo,

Can you tell us how many windings you have on your primary and secondary.

Thanks!

Terry

[amigo]

@RStiffler,

Thanks for the support and the guidance, I will go and re-read the entire page again because there were updates in the mean time while I was working on this.

I did make sure that my secondary coil is wound in the same direction as the primary. That was the problem with my first attempt week ago until I read on your page that they have to match directions.

I have switched now to a full breadboard with the metal backing and only placed your circuit on it, while keeping the signal generator on the smaller board. Sadly now my LED barely lights up, though the frequency is about the same ~10.7MHz. If I touch the gnd (-) on my signal generator board the LED lights up brighter but that's not what we are looking for.

I feel I'm back to square one now since the LED is barely illuminated (hard to see) and my signal generator does not seem to be working as one would hope. You are right that one needs a good instrument for things like this, but...

Perhaps if you have time, could you please consider posting on your page a simple tunable LC oscillator that everyone can build. That way we will all be on the same "page" when it comes to sources of the signal?

Regarding the video, I did not like the lo-res quality of YouTube thus I made my video at 480x360 so that details are clear.

Do you know if litz wire is absolute necessity on the coil or could we wind a similar full copper primary instead though I suppose all this has to do with capacitance, no? Would be great if we did not have to special order coils, since I have found a bunch of cores in a local surplus store, but without the coils on them and would like to wind my own if possible.

@hartiberlin

I must say that the margin of error is very narrow here when it comes to frequency control and it is necessary to strike the right one to get the best results. An oscillator with fine tuning (down to KHz or better) would come very very handy. I'm also interested in the no generator ground only experiment because there was no tuning involved there, it appeared to simply just work on its own.

@terry1094

I do not how many windings are on the primary, I just used the existing ferrite core I pulled out of an old alarm clock with radio. The geometry matched so I figured I got nothing to lose by trying it.

[DrStiffler]

@RStiffler,

Thanks for the support and the guidance, I will go and re-read the entire page again because there were updates in the mean time while I was working on this.

I did make sure that my secondary coil is wound in the same direction as the primary. That was the problem with my first attempt week ago until I read on your page that they have to match directions.

I have switched now to a full breadboard with the metal backing and only placed your circuit on it, while keeping the signal generator on the smaller board. Sadly now my LED barely lights up, though the frequency is about the same ~10.7MHz. If I touch the gnd (-) on my signal generator board the LED lights up brighter but that's not what we are looking for.

I feel I'm back to square one now since the LED is barely illuminated (hard to see) and my signal generator does not seem to be working as one would hope. You are right that one needs a good instrument for things like this, but...

Perhaps if you have time, could you please consider posting on your page a simple tunable LC oscillator that everyone can build. That way we will all be on the same "page" when it comes to sources of the signal?

Regarding the video, I did not like the lo-res quality of YouTube thus I made my video at 480x360 so that details are clear.

Do you know if litz wire is absolute necessity on the coil or could we wind a similar full copper primary instead though I suppose all this has to do with capacitance, no? Would be great if we did not have to special order coils, since I have found a bunch of cores in a local surplus store, but without the coils on them and would like to wind my own if possible.

@hartiberlin

I must say that the margin of error is very narrow here when it comes to frequency control and it is necessary to strike the right one to get the best results. An oscillator with fine tuning (down to KHz or better) would come very very handy. I'm also interested in the no generator ground only experiment because there was no tuning involved there, it appeared to simply just work on its own.

@terry1094

I do not how many windings are on the primary, I just used the existing ferrite core I pulled out of an old alarm clock with radio. The geometry matched so I figured I got nothing to lose by trying it.

@amigo

I have often been called on the carpet because of as some say (Rude, Curt etc.,) but often you just need to cut to the chase. It is a shame everyone does not have a lab full of equipment, it sure does make a difference. I can not really help on the generator as what I was making reference to is an oscillator that is built to match your required frequency for your coil(s),as currently seen at the bottom of my web page. The oscillator is a Colpitts driving a MOSFET. The values of C and L are selected for the desired frequency which must be known. The coil has a ferrite core which allows maybe 1MHz of tuning which is not enough to be used for finding the resonant points.

You will see on my page where I built a cheap and dirty circuit on a bit of cardboard, this shows that when it is working a proto-board is not even needed. I would think something very simple has changed in your porting to the bigger board.

The reason I insist on starting here is that to move on, one must be able to understand the little strange things that can make it work or not. The ground only circuit is a highly tuned set of coils that are matched to each other. I show a similar example in the section of my page where I explain the winding sense problem. Consider I have been working on this for over 7 years, so it is not something I can just write about and you can do it. I have that feel and understanding and you and all that move forward will need to gain the same insight. This is a case of crawling before you walk.

Maybe I need to look back and see just how hard it was to get here, also your coils may not work. I really can not offer much more.

[amigo]

@RStiffler

Please forgive us, I feel most of us are just anxious to jump right into it instead of taking small baby steps towards the final goal of walking upright.

Some people do not have scopes and function generators, others might not even have DMMs. In this case this is quite an impediment and is a show stopper, but we can only do with what we have available to each of us. I believe it's important to keep working and trying, if we give up or never try then the battle is already lost.