Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

@ Stiffler

So we are talking about 2 _DIFFERENT_ diodes
acting as pump-charged chaos amps operated by the
same "jamming" voltage.
This means that the output resistance of the AV plug
is determined by the diode junction - and the energy
is a product of the charge in the junction and the frequentness
it is released. hmmmm
Sounds like an innovative impedance converter.
Ever tried different (slower (do they really exist !?)) diodes with
wider junction area (e.g. enclosed photo diodes)?

Do you think the AV-Plug is involved in the "SEC" effect - or is
just helpful to "harvest" the produced energy ?

rgds,

PS: I agree with you that it makes no sense to use traditional
equippement SA, Scopes, to analyze this. Using a very fast
transient recorder and matlab would make more sense = gives
at least a precise (abstract) picture of what is happening.

@Fritz
*Ever tried different (slower (do they really exist !?)) diodes with
*wider junction area (e.g. enclosed photo diodes)?

Yes a number of us have tried different diodes, many have tried the Ultra fast 1N4007 and some have told me direct and there are some posted replications here where they have been used. I have tried about every thing I have in my stock and a few extra. The UF1N4007 will work, but the output (in my attempts) has never appeared to be worthwhile.

I use and have used from the start 1N4148s and at times 1N914s. The 1N4148 as you know has a very low junction capacity, the Vishay 1N4148/1N914 has a diode capacity of 4pF and a reverse recovery time of 4-8nS. I have yet to find one to work as well as this cheap little signal diode.

*Do you think the AV-Plug is involved in the "SEC" effect - or is
*just helpful to "harvest" the produced energy ?
My feeling is that the structure of the AV plug along with the diodes and the wideband excitation are all working together. What I have read on the AV Plug indicates that the one wire transmission tests were done in the KV range and used transformers and capacitors as well as large natural masses for operation. Frolov used LF, transformer for HV and capacitors. I do not know of any reports of the AV plug in these configurations exhibiting anything abnormal.

*transient recorder and matlab would make more sense = gives
You have mentioned this before and I think I indicated (seriously) that we would be very grateful if you could do this, is this possible and would you??

Thank you for the valuable and inline with direction post.

[nickle989]

Well it took me a few days to read all ... wish all the BS was left out and the thread kept to the research ... would have been a whole lot less time and I might have absorbed more, pretty hard for my one brain cell to keep up    

@Stiffler nice work ... I have seen some of this effect in what I have been working on in my energy driver for my HHO unit.   You are on to something here.  Have you tried going to higher frequency's yet ? Or into the VLF range .. tapping into the earth's core frequency? and resonate off of that.  I have found that using 6 frequency harmonics gets a better result for resonense than 1 or even 3. 

@all ... this may be a dumb question and I may have already missed it or lost it.  Is there anyone that has lit up 1 (or more) led's without an external power supply ie. battery or grid power ?  @ Haliburtun in your video's I have not noticed an external supply ... but I think I am not looking close enough.

I will be trying out a 3 magnet pump circuit design to drive the input ... if I meet with success this can then be coupled to Doc's and will make it a closed loop.  I just hope that I can get rid of the very high frequency's that the pump creates so it does not cause havic with the tuning.

[DrStiffler]

Some Opinions and a help request.

I don't think there is a simulator program out there that will properly handle this type
of circuit, for the simple reason that the effects aren't really known.  How do you calculate
the effects on a circuit if you don't know what they are.  Is this a valid assumption?

Now for my HELP question.  I built the basic ckt.  I changed a few things to fit what I
have in my parts boxes.  (Actually, they are bigger than some stores.)  The Basic Circuit
is the same, but the Coils are 18uH, the main coil from power I hand wound, and the base
coil is a little larger than the original spec.  (On the exact same form....just a couple extra turns)

Here's what happens.  The output of the LEDs is GReat for high current input (60 to 80 mA).
I must mention that the last AVP has the primary of a very small torrid xformer instead of an LED.
I wond it specifically so all the primary is on one side and the sec, on the other side for minimum
amount of cap. between windings.  I don't seem to lose too much with one side of the secondary
attached to Ground.This allows me to scope the other secondary lead with NO EFFECT on
the circuit.  This is how I noticed my problem.  (Maybe this is normal?)
When I tune for minimum current, I hit a "Threshold" where the current drops below 1mA but
the Osc. output is no longer continous.  The out changes from a fairly clean sine to a Hash
type of output in defined pulses.  Hash is appros .08uS wave for 20 us and then decays to nothing
in another 35 us.  Now I have a dead output until 9.5 mS goes by.  Pattern Repeats.

I have no idea why the Osc does this.  (Running 2 Hours now, just to be sure).  Of course I
have noticed many other quirks, but this seems weird.  Also, the output has the hightest
voltage peaks with this signal.  Increasing the base inductance will push the output to a continous
wave, but the output voltage decreases.  More currrent available, of course.  Also, even though
the LED's don't light with this "Pulse" wave, they are just noticable in the dark.
(Extra note:  I am doing most testing with Lights on AND lights off to try and account for
LED's converting light, etc.  Unless they are converting their own light, there seems to be
no effect that I have found, yet....)

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Last little Question.  If I attach a wire (Normal jumper lead with clips.) to the AVP side of
the first inductor, I get an increase in the output voltage, but no change in the wave shape???
This is a 1 Foot long lead just clipped on.  Of course, my hand makes a difference, but I am
only mentioning the results after pulling my hands away.  Almost like an antenna, but at any
frequency I happen to be tuned to.  (Oppps, forgot to mention, I have used several Caps to
try several frequencys.)  Is it possible that this is all the correct operation and the OSC ckt
is Supposed to be unstable for better harmonic production?

Any insights welcome, but I must sleep now.  Been at this for 9 hours straight and am getting
blurred vision.  Makes it hard to read the fine lines on scope and meters....

Art

@Loner
Let me answer some of your questions, but the short answer is your not properly tuned and this is not a valid replication as you have introduced to many different variables out side of specifications.

* Is this a valid assumption?
Yes, you are correct in these statements, I do have a theory (predicted results can be obtained) that appears to be for the moment stable. In other words I can duplicate outcomes based on the underlying theory. But, I have no idea if this is a theory that cannot  be explained much different or may already be explained as part of some different comprehensive view.

* I built the basic ckt.  I changed a few things to fit what I
*have in my parts boxes.  (Actually, they are bigger than some stores.)
I'm sorry but this is your primary problem. You should see this from other work on this thread, we kind of do it the same or problems and different results are obtained.

* This is how I noticed my problem.  (Maybe this is normal?)
*When I tune for minimum current, I hit a "Threshold" where the current drops below 1mA but
*the Osc. output is no longer continous. 
A properly tuned exciter will not go into this mode (the base cap and coil will not allow it, if they are correct). Do understand that supply voltage has an affect on how the exciter operated. At different voltages you can get it to tune many different way, with 99% being the wrong way.

If you can it would shave you much time and frustration to do as close as possible a replication using parts as shown at www.drstiffler.com/secexciter.asp this is the simplest and best place to start and will give you many hours of answer seeking. Also do not forget the proto-board, it has an intrinsic capacity that is required unless you use a special design PCB

If anyone else wants to comment, jump in and help Loner get going.

[DrStiffler]

Well it took me a few days to read all ... wish all the BS was left out and the thread kept to the research ... would have been a whole lot less time and I might have absorbed more, pretty hard for my one brain cell to keep up    

@Stiffler nice work ... I have seen some of this effect in what I have been working on in my energy driver for my HHO unit.   You are on to something here.  Have you tried going to higher frequency's yet ? Or into the VLF range .. tapping into the earth's core frequency? and resonate off of that.  I have found that using 6 frequency harmonics gets a better result for resonense than 1 or even 3. 

@all ... this may be a dumb question and I may have already missed it or lost it.  Is there anyone that has lit up 1 (or more) led's without an external power supply ie. battery or grid power ?  @ Haliburtun in your video's I have not noticed an external supply ... but I think I am not looking close enough.

I will be trying out a 3 magnet pump circuit design to drive the input ... if I meet with success this can then be coupled to Doc's and will make it a closed loop.  I just hope that I can get rid of the very high frequency's that the pump creates so it does not cause havic with the tuning.

*If needed I will have someone watch the thread 24/7 and we will keep the thread a lot smaller and relevant, NO MATTER WHAT TOES I STEP ON!

* I have seen some of this effect in what I have been working on in my energy driver for my HHO unit. 
The SEC Exciter that I have established as standard and used in my last video on HHO is about as wide banded as you will get. It produces very high energy output about every 5MHz from 4.6-356MHz and less useful ones much higher. Granted the low end is left out, but SEC does not work down here (unless someone has done it).

Look forward to you observations and results.

[Loki67671]

@All
Another quick note for my fellow researchers. The Fluke IR Thermometer I'm using is also affected somehow by SEC and I'm not talking about RFI and this is NOT connected to the circuit under measurement in any way that I am aware of. This is indeed an elusive monster. It does not want to be measured, for lack of any better explanation at this point.

Actually it is just different enough that "conventional" methods don't seem to apply very well. Imagine that! I also managed to fire up a bigger pancake fan from a pentium class cooled heatsink. It took off like BOH also but with none of the audible I noted when running the one in the picture Dr. Stiffler posted for me. I did note a squealing coming from the motor and slight motion of the fan at about 6.00VDC-19ma input with LED's bright and NE glowing on 1 electrode. Attempts to measure voltage and/or current KILL it! Other than that it is very stable even with close interaction of my hand and touching individual components.

Also note that the farther I drive the tuning slug into the base coil the greater is the current draw from my supply. I'm going to try the absolutely pain staking method of tapping an air core coil in the base for tuning. I wonder if I can reduce the current draw even farther through this method. It will be a pain but I also need to know. I'm going to tune the device to maximum with a core tuned inductor and then remove that inductor from the circuit and measure it. Then hand wind an air core inductor and add tap points along the windings. Tuning by pigtail! Yep it'll suck and be a pain but I want to try to run this without that slug anywhere near the device. I have also removed all ferrite based screws from the breadboard and replaced them with aluminum.

I guess it wasn't a quick note.

Anyone who saw my earlier rant, please accept my appologies. It was uncalled for and very counter productive. I'll try to stay on topic. Sorry folks!

Much more to come, Best regards,

Jim