Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

@ALL

It would appeared that everyone is ignoring a very important post (request) I made??

I asked that two meters of the same type be used with one in the +v and one in the -v power lines to a running exciter (with the Al backing plate floating, nothing connected to it).

Take a set of readings (they should be the same) +/- a digit or meter accuracy.

Connect an Earth ground to the Al backing plate, what are the meter readings??

Are they the same or are they different, if different by how much, how could this be explained.

**The power supply must be a battery of 16-20 volts. The Exciter should be running a neon or at least three LEDs.

Dr Stiffler,
I built the basic replication today (one neon) using the Jameco list you provided, including the proto-board as suggested. I rewound the tuning coil with #26 copper magnet wire to fill the form. I have a region of somewhat unstable operation when the tuning slug is about 3/4 to the top. I have stable operation area with the slug peaking over the top. This stable operation is about 10ma higher current then the other peak. For the test you requested I used the stable region at higher current.
I connected two meters (a Fluke 75 & a 77). With the proto-board backing plate not grounded to earth I read 37.2 ma on each leg at the same time. When I connect earth ground the current on each leg reads 38.5. Right or wrong, this is what I got.

Dave

@retrod
Well not to sure here, first I do not know myself if the two meters you used are equivalent in the impedance they present to the circuit under test. If they are, here is s typical scenario;

With no connection to the backing plate of any kind (ground or otherwise) and the Exciter is tuned (using battery only - no connection anywhere to utility lines or grounds) both meters should read the same.

Don't even bother disconnecting power, just connect the earth ground to the backing plate. You should see up to a 30% increase in one of the power legs, which one depends on the tuning point of the exciter. If you see less then try another tuning spot.

In your example you are seeing less than 5% difference which I would just consider error or unknown conditions. The condition is very obvious and strange in that it is hard to explain the different currents in the battery legs, but it is an indication of what is happening in SEC.

Hope I have help enough so you can try again, thanks for giving it a go.

[DrStiffler]

Quote from: RStiffler on April 12, 2008, 05:37:56 PM

Are they the same or are they different, if different by how much, how could this be explained.

60Hz noise (50Hz if in Europe).  I see increases in AC current all the time when devices are grounded due to wall outlet noise - we are all coursing with 60/50Hz AC electricity, all the time! 

@Charlie_V
I don't follow? AC current where and how is it being measured? The power rails on the exciter should be filtered well enough that no AC of meaningful level should be seen from supply ground to +v of the supply. No if your wiring standard (I don't know myself) is the same as US and you have a Neutral, Ground and Hot and you are using the Ground as Earth ground it indeed will have AC on it.

Help me out here please and describe you measuring procedure.

Thanks Charlie

[DrStiffler]

@All
Results from Conductive Mass added to the SEC with no electrical connections, mass just sitting on the breadboard. (Mass added was a 7.5" X 1.5" X 0.25" copper bar, 1 Excelite screwdriver, and the pancake fan / alt combination) The addition of the mass caused the current to increase by about 2ma and then stabilize at the new level. Hand touching the copper bar added another 1.2ma or so. then removing the mass returned the circuit back to the starting current levels approximately 56.1ma. Addition of the fan motor assembly MASS caused the greatest increase and and removal caused the greatest decrease in current, no electrical connections.

Chained LED with alternating connection to Annode and Cathode as suggested also functions.

Best regards,

Jim

@Jim

So you did a Mass Mass test

Okay I must have a head cramp here. Your test showed that the alternator did detune a greater amount than all the added mass? I think that is how I read it?

If I read it right, then that sounds correct (or at least what I might expect) as there really is no correct. A good and simple test is the placement of the proto-board in one of those big Al cooking pans.

Anyway great test with the mass mass......

[DrStiffler]

@All
My results from the current experiment:

Circuit description: SEC exciter-  1 AV plug with NE bulb-16.25 VDC input

SEC fired and tuned for max (subjective) NE Floating back plate            + leg current=55.6ma   - leg current=55.6ma
SEC fired and tuned for max (subjective) NE Hand over ckt                    + leg current=56.42ma  - leg current=55.9ma
SEC fired and tuned for max (subjective) NE Earth  Plate                       + leg current=60.28ma  - leg current=60.1ma
SEC fired and tuned for max (subjective) NE Earth Plate removed           + leg current=55.91ma  - leg current=55.6ma

Not only does it appear to provide a current path but once established a current imbalance also appeared to remain there. I'm seeing what appears to be more current in the positive leg than the negative leg after I read them balanced and then messed with the circuit by attaching earth ground to the plate. Removing the ground did not seem to restore it. Turning off all equipment and restarting did.

Best regards,

Jim

@Loki
Fantastic. I will post a couple pictures here shortly on a test I have performed.

Great work and correct observation

[nickle989]

@ Dr. Stiffler ... this relates to the "Current SEC Circuit" .. the schematic is a bit different from the parts list ..  the largest difference is C2 and C3 pF / uF ... could you please clarify ... sorry if you already have some where.  Thank you

@Loki .. could you post some detail pics of your circuit ... thanks a bunch.  This putz (that means me) is still trying to get his going.  Probably because I do not have the coil .. and I have been trying to make my own.