Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

@Loki

1 electrode is fully engulfed From time to time the Neon flickers and gun measured neon temperature is 143.5F with the transistor running at 80F, the 22uH choke at 87F. Indeed 1 electrode indicating HV DC. The glowing electrode is connected to the ANODE lead of 1 of the AV plug diodes.

Thanks Jim, at first I thought I was going nuts. Have been messing around with my frankenstein version and have noticed some interesting things.  I really need to get me some of those coil forms.  When taking readings off the scope and I get to having the wave form duplicate the top and bottom (or at least the closest I can get it) I have the great efficiency. I then disconnect the scope off and the NEON gets just a little brighter and hotter.  But at least it gives me a place to aim towards.

There is certainly more going on in this then what is meeting the electronic eye. 

I am going to see how much the local NEON place here will charge to make up some custom designs.  When adding another neon to the mix it somehow changes the ION field around the board in a disfavor.   I also think that a rectangular plate is not the best thing .. round would be better I think.

I love my burt finger tips  .

Yes.....I have certainly built some nice devices and some Frankensteins. It happens! But now I'm quite comfortable with adjusting SEC 15-3 and my proto-board circuits for heat. I have two more SEC 15-3's on the way and will try to get some heating runs in the calorimeter this coming weekend. I have to test the supply that will power the experiment. For now I'm just simply passing data from the DAQ's into a spreadsheet and will automate the calculations soon too. I'd be quite interested in the custom neon, please keep me in mind and pass along what you will. Good idea on the geometry, I'm looking into that also.

The change in neon intensity when you remove the scope shows or tells you that the circuit was tuned with the probe impedance loading the circuit right? I say keep that critter out of there and get a feel for this circuit by tuning in the dark for awhile. First, check that you have the proper capacitance to the backplate. Then apply Dr. Stifflers +/- current measurements experiment exactly as he instructed to set it up and see if you see differences in the supply branches. Tune for maximum neon intensity and minimum current from the supply simultaneously. Then try the experiment a few times. Don't change the supply settings at all. Just turn it off and on. Do it with the scope probe in circuit and then remove the probe and then try no scope in circuit and power up, you know try a bunch of different combinations.  Remember No Earth grounds! Not in supplies! Not in test equipment including possibly that probe ground clip, yes? It is a lot of rules to remember but I'm learning to listen pretty well. Keep up the good work. I hope to be getting the heat measurements soon. I'm going to rely on Windows to perform something for extended hours without locking up.....be afraid....be very afraid........

Best regards,

Jim 

@nickle989
@Loki67671
@All
Reading the top two posts brought a picture to mind which may be a good analogy on how to treat a SEC Exciter.

Think of a soap bubble rising from a soap filled container. How would you evaluate that bubble? You can not grab it and manipulate it, you can not insert a pressure meter to measure the internal pressure, let along weighing it presents a number of problems. So when you look at an Exciter think of that bubble, you mess with it in even a marginal way, you have good odds of destroying it.

To measure parameters of that bubble and a SEC Exciter is difficult at best, but not impossible, so long as you keep your distance and do not disturb the medium in which it floats.

The SEC Exciter is forming a capacitive interface to the universal energy lattice and disturbing it with its extreme bandwidth excitation. Each frequency in the excitation is causing a vibration of the building blocks of the lattice and so confusing them that they become chaotic for nanoseconds of time. These short burst of time where the fabric trying to recover its normal quiescent energy state is when energy is added to the Exciter.

[plengo]

@Dr.Stiffler

The SEC Exciter is forming a capacitive interface to the universal energy lattice and disturbing it with its extreme bandwidth excitation. Each frequency in the excitation is causing a vibration of the building blocks of the lattice and so confusing them that they become chaotic for nanoseconds of time. These short burst of time where the fabric trying to recover its normal quiescent energy state is when energy is added to the Exciter

Precisely what I understood to be the mechanics of SEC. Very good analogy doctor.

That brings me a question that has been hunting me for a long time now. If the lattice of the energy is restoring its state after it gets "perturbed" by SEC and I am assuming SEC is only perturbing it very little, how much more in intensity would be possible to perturb that lattice to extract more energy?

Is this caused by the frequency range or would be more related to the speed of the gradient?

Fausto.

[Loki67671]

@Dr.Stiffler

The SEC Exciter is forming a capacitive interface to the universal energy lattice and disturbing it with its extreme bandwidth excitation. Each frequency in the excitation is causing a vibration of the building blocks of the lattice and so confusing them that they become chaotic for nanoseconds of time. These short burst of time where the fabric trying to recover its normal quiescent energy state is when energy is added to the Exciter

Precisely what I understood to be the mechanics of SEC. Very good analogy doctor.

That brings me a question that has been hunting me for a long time now. If the lattice of the energy is restoring its state after it gets "perturbed" by SEC and I am assuming SEC is only perturbing it very little, how much more in intensity would be possible to perturb that lattice to extract more energy?

Is this caused by the frequency range or would be more related to the speed of the gradient?

Fausto.

I cannot say that I ever had a clearer picture than now but I had allowed myself to think along these lines anyway. That's probably natural and comes from trying to visualize and understand radio based devices and transmission lines in practical everyday work. But what seems to come to my mind, from the analogy, is if I push then the lattice pushes back, but not in the normal elastic sense, in the SEC interface sense. Hence the critical tunings and frequency responses of the individual and aggregate components. What a truly complex device, for one that seems so simple. I drew the SEC diagram for a 2nd year undergrad EE/Phy major today. His response was, "yeah right, I just got out of thermodynamics, leave me alone" LOL  So maximizing the distribution and intensity of spectral energy will cause increased perturbation of the lattice? That means more input power no? That also means more back? A wicked catch-22. Am I thinking about this correctly? Thanks for the food for intense thought, it is greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Jim   

[samedsoft]

@All

A MAJOR discovery! In a few posts back I talked of the experimenters driving their SEC boards at high levels and either suffering the loss of a transistor or neon, well we are getting closer to knowing what is happening to the neons. The electrodes are being (it currently appears) to a carbonized material.

@Dr. Stiffler,

   Dear Doctor,

   In one of Dr. Chukanov's patent, I have read that; When he applies electric discharge  to Quantum Macro Object (Ball lightning body) he observes tungsten electrodes being melt and became gas state.  Eventually covering the inner surface of bulb. And not permitting microwave radiation to penetrate ....

  In your case the the electrode inside neon lamp might be gasified due to local high temperature on the electrode surface. And making metal oxides. I am not sure what metal is being used in the neons you have.. But it deserves to find out through supplier...


  @plengo,

   We are looking forward to your battery test results. Can you make a circuit with 400V capacitor and see self running and charging affect?

   Best Regards.
   Nuri Temurlenk

[Loki67671]

@samedsoft,
The book on ball lightning, I would like to have a copy that isn't damaged. The book at the end of the link you have provided is definitely something I wish to look at in depth but the document is terrible. I'm no pdf expert but this one has issues loading graphics and some pages. Or can you purchase "good" one's? 

Best regards,

Jim