Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

@ALL
Well there were a couple of things going on in this forum that seemed to pull all attention in a different way for about a week. This is fine and Simon and I even took a look at it. Although now that I am back and ready to move on and I need the (worker) troops back.

Here are a few possible directions this thread can go and now and because there are a very small number of boards left, there are enough circuits all alike out there that we have a firm base to work from. So here are the directions that I think possible, but I am indeed open to suggestion.

1) Explore the decoupling of the output so we can get EI to do something like power itself.
2) Continue improvement of the Heat generation from the current configurations using a host of different plasmas.
3) Go back and explore the capacitor charging done in the beginning.
4) Move into the H2 production (although in my mind we need >10 to turn this back into EI) for everyday use.

Now I do have other thoughts but they are not fully workable in the lab yet, so no need going there or even talking about them.

So where do you all want to go and what do you want EI, H2 or Heat?

BTW If you want Heat, we do direct Heat, yes you can get Heat from EI and H2, but the conversion loss says go for what you want directly.

[Freezer]

@Freezer,

   Can you show the connection diagram? What are the tweaks you have done one by one?

   Also can you you explain what is the circular thing between the power supply and SEC 3 board?

I just did Dr.Stifflers heat mod, and added a heatsink for the transistor.  The circular thing is just wire management as Jim has said, I just didn't want to accidentally have the leads touch and burn the board, as its a precious piece of art. 

@Stiffler, I still have a ways to go, and lots more to read, but I want to go the heat route and see what turns up.  I noticed you can use a reverse av plug connected to a multimeter and at least see how far this energy excitation extends in a numerical visual sense.  Of course the numbers won't mean anything, but you can still use it as a gauge instead of the brightness of the led, I guess what ever is easier.

[Loki67671]

@ALL
Well there were a couple of things going on in this forum that seemed to pull all attention in a different way for about a week. This is fine and Simon and I even took a look at it. Although now that I am back and ready to move on and I need the (worker) troops back.

Here are a few possible directions this thread can go and now and because there are a very small number of boards left, there are enough circuits all alike out there that we have a firm base to work from. So here are the directions that I think possible, but I am indeed open to suggestion.

1) Explore the decoupling of the output so we can get EI to do something like power itself.
2) Continue improvement of the Heat generation from the current configurations using a host of different plasmas.
3) Go back and explore the capacitor charging done in the beginning.
4) Move into the H2 production (although in my mind we need >10 to turn this back into EI) for everyday use.

Now I do have other thoughts but they are not fully workable in the lab yet, so no need going there or even talking about them.

So where do you all want to go and what do you want EI, H2 or Heat?

BTW If you want Heat, we do direct Heat, yes you can get Heat from EI and H2, but the conversion loss says go for what you want directly.

@Dr. Stiffler,
Since I'm moving into heat measurement it just makes sense for me to continue in this direction so #2 above is my intent but believe it, my interest in the H2 has been heightened also. I will try to make as great a contribution as I can to these efforts. All four need to be explored as I'm sure you have done and more of the background workers need to actively join us. In any case, and after looking at your website, again and again, I post this shot of more surplus that I can get. Is this something along the lines of different plasma? Of course moving into firing one of these is a bit of a different ball game no? I'm on the HEAT team if you'll have me.  Follow that with H2 work. As slow as I am that should eat up the rest of this year. LOL 

Best regards,

Jim

@Loki
Surplus! Boy I love that tube you have. Yes this is one of the different plasma I am talking about and did considerable work with Xenon and excess heat, before I became brave enough  to use the word 'excess'.

Yes again there is a bit of a trick to fire one of these if you want that bright white flash. You need a $2 trigger coil a couple caps and a SIDAC and it works fine from a SEC, but to really get heat from one of these you want a continuous plasma as seen in the very short set of pages on the SS Site. The plasma is not the blinding white of the charge release as the photo flash, rather it is a purple and blue constant heat furnace. I have not shown any of this in this thread, but if we all heat for heat then its just an addition of the parts on the output of a SEC3. It can be done in such a way that the oven is removed from the board and makes much more sense.

Do you only have one of these tubes, the reason I ask is with surplus if we all can not be on the same page it might be hard for replication? The units I have used are the $5 combo from Electronic GoldMine, you get the tube, trigger coil which is not really needed but good to have and a cap. I do use 100uF/350V photoflash caps as they are good and fast if you want to flash. If you want constant plasma, any good 470uF/200V will be fine.

Well we will see how it goes on what everyone would like to do, but I think they are doing what they want now and just will not tell the rest of us.

[nickle989]

@All .... Does anyone have an ION air cleaner .. ionizer from a store ... if so could you fire it up around the SEC area ... couple of feet away .... and post some findings.  It would be greatly appreciated.

@Loki PM me about the code need ... not looking for $. If I can do it I will.

[DrStiffler]

@All .... Does anyone have an ION air cleaner .. ionizer from a store ... if so could you fire it up around the SEC area ... couple of feet away .... and post some findings.  It would be greatly appreciated.

@Loki PM me about the code need ... not looking for $. If I can do it I will.

@nickle989
I assume you have seen the results of the question you ask? Let me say that the current in a SEC Exciter will always contain a % of ions from the local environment, the more ions available the greater its component. This goes to where I have talked about monitoring the current in both the + and - legs of the supply. Assuming you can integrate in real time to account for asymmetry (phase difference), you will be able to see and evaluate the portion that is ionic. The ionic is NOT SEC and degrades SEC.

In short, increased ions, increased Exciter excitation and possible over heating of the transistor.

Is this what you have seen??