Working Attraction Magnet Motor on Youtube!?

[Omnibus]

The problem in your proposal is that what you're calling "energy from nothing" isn't in fact energy from nothing. What your experiment does is to have an initially imparted energy to the ball be redistributed back an forth in various other forms of energy.

So you are saying that in the two trials I propose, the trial with the SMOT will not result in the ball having greater speed as it exits point B, correct?  Or are you saying you are not sure?

If the ball in the SMOT trial will not have greater velocity upon exiting the ramp at point B, I have to ask, why not?  What happened to the excess energy that the SMOT imparted?  Friction is not the answer, because friction was also a factor in the first trial.

No, like I said, in your experiment there will only be mutual interchange in equivalent amounts of different forms of energy, one of these forms is kinetic energy. No excess energy, though in your experiment as in SMOT experiment.

[shruggedatlas]

No, like I said, in your experiment there will only be mutual interchange in equivalent amounts of different forms of energy, one of these forms is kinetic energy. No excess energy, though in your experiment as in SMOT experiment.

If that is true, then how can Finsrud's machine or xpenzif's design possibly run, if in fact they do utilize the excess energy of the SMOT principle.  Somehow, this energy must be able to be delivered, correct?

In discussions regarding Finsrud's machine in the Steorn forum, you yourself stated that if the magnets were taken off Finsrud's device, the ball would not run perpetually.  If that is the case, that means that the magnets do impart energy to the ball.  And if they do, why do the magnets in my experiment impart no additional energy?  My experiment has a perfect SMOT ramp.  Why does the ball not leave with extra energy?  What happens to this energy.

Lastly, is there any possible experiment that would show excess energy in a measurable way, or is this excess energy like the Emperor's New Clothes?  What happens to it?  Why can we not measure it as the ball leaves the SMOT, or are you saying it is impossible for the ball to leave the SMOT with any of the energy that it was given by the SMOT?  And if so, how is a SMOT over unity then?

[Omnibus]

No, like I said, in your experiment there will only be mutual interchange in equivalent amounts of different forms of energy, one of these forms is kinetic energy. No excess energy, though in your experiment as in SMOT experiment.

If that is true, then how can Finsrud's machine or xpenzif's design possibly run, if in fact they do utilize the excess energy of the SMOT principle.  Somehow, this energy must be able to be delivered, correct?

In discussions regarding Finsrud's machine in the Steorn forum, you yourself stated that if the magnets were taken off Finsrud's device, the ball would not run perpetually.  If that is the case, that means that the magnets do impart energy to the ball.  And if they do, why do the magnets in my experiment impart no additional energy?  My experiment has a perfect SMOT ramp.  Why does the ball not leave with extra energy?  What happens to this energy.

Lastly, is there any possible experiment that would show excess energy in a measurable way, or is this excess energy like the Emperor's New Clothes?  What happens to it?  Why can we not measure it as the ball leaves the SMOT, or are you saying it is impossible for the ball to leave the SMOT with any of the energy that it was given by the SMOT?  And if so, how is a SMOT over unity then?

The SMOT we're talking about demonstrates excess energy in a measurable way. The excess energy in Finsrud's or @xpenzif's device comes about due to the fact that before the closed loop in one field is completed another field starts to act and the construction is such that that goes on forever.

[shruggedatlas]

The SMOT we're talking about demonstrates excess energy in a measurable way. The excess energy in Finsrud's or @xpenzif's device comes about due to the fact that before the closed loop in one field is completed another field starts to act and the construction is such that that goes on forever.

You are ducking the issue.  In order for Finsrud's or expenzif's device to work, at each little SMOT-like component, energy is imarted to the ball/drum whatever.  There is a chain effect, but it is a chain made up of little energy boosts.  If energy was never imparted at any stage, the devices would not work.  It makes no sense that having all the SMOT-like components in a device would result in overunity, but no single component contributes any energy independently.

What I want to do is measure energy imparted during one run of a ball down a SMOT ramp.  I do not care about overunity; I do not expect to have more energy out then in. (I understand that to have overunity, the SMOT-effect must be set up in a proper chain.)  All I want to do is see what additional benefit a single SMOT brings to a device.

This would be like having two versions of xpenzif's device.  One with screws on the drum and one without (though with added weight to exactly mimic the weight of the drum with screws).  Give each a precisely-measured push.  Then, after exactly one revolution, measure the speed of the drum.  If there is an improvement, then we can say the SMOTs helped.  If there is no improvement or a negative improvement, then the SMOTs did not help.  Would this be a valid experiment?  I am not proposing to do this, I just want to know if my thought process has any validity or not.  If this would be a valid experiment (assuming we have xpenzif's exact working setup), why is my proposed experiment with the ramp and single SMOT invalid?  Maybe run the experiment with just a single screw to isolate the effect to a single SMOT-like component?

Is my logic incorrect?  I know I am an amateur, but I am trying to be as methodical and scientific here as possible.  Let's do a test to prove the SMOT's overunity.  Why are you so resistant to this?  If you have a better test, I am all ears.

[Omnibus]

Not at all. That's the issue. Every little SMOT produces excess energy because the completion of its loop is assisted by the follow up independent little SMOT, the two SMOT's only being mechanically constrained. And so on. The very fact that this pattern is repeated and this goes on and on causing continuous rotation causing the drum to make full turns is itself the proof for the violation of CoE in @xpenzif's device.