Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[Pirate88179]

@ alchemist123:

I agree with what you have said, to a point.  What you describe works for a totally galvanic reaction between the copper and the iron.  In Stubblefield's writings, and from my own experiments, I believe we are dealing with something more.  In a pure galvanic reaction, something is being consumed yet NS says that there is no breakdown of materials when properly buried in the earth.  For a 100% galvanic reaction, the wetter the coil the better yet, NS, and from my own research, the drier the electrodes or coil in the earth, the better the output.

This is why I believe there is something more going on here than galvanic reaction.  Early on in this topic we tried to eliminate this possibility by using 2 copper rods cut from the same pipe and placed in the earth with the proper alignment.  We still got voltage and mA's which told me that it was not galvanic and the earth did have a part to play in all of this.

If not, NS could have simply wet his coils and placed them in a jar when he did his tour for investors.  He did not do this.  He also is on record for making the first ever ship to shore phone call when he was on the Potomac river in Washington, DC in a ship, and somehow, his device still worked.

So, although I do not claim to know exactly how his devices worked, I can judge by reading the history and make a few assumptions.  My EER (earth battery) works the best when it has not rained for days and the ground is totally dry.  I can place my electrodes in water and get some results but nowhere near what I can obtain outside in the earth with the proper alignment.  Also, I have dug up my metals 2 times in the past 2 years and see no evidence of any breakdown of the materials as Stubblefield had predicted.

Just my 2 cents from my readings and experience.

Bill

[alchemist123]

@ alchemist123:

I agree with what you have said, to a point.  What you describe works for a totally galvanic reaction between the copper and the iron.  In Stubblefield's writings, and from my own experiments, I believe we are dealing with something more.  In a pure galvanic reaction, something is being consumed yet NS says that there is no breakdown of materials when properly buried in the earth.  For a 100% galvanic reaction, the wetter the coil the better yet, NS, and from my own research, the drier the electrodes or coil in the earth, the better the output.

This is why I believe there is something more going on here than galvanic reaction.  Early on in this topic we tried to eliminate this possibility by using 2 copper rods cut from the same pipe and placed in the earth with the proper alignment.  We still got voltage and mA's which told me that it was not galvanic and the earth did have a part to play in all of this.

If not, NS could have simply wet his coils and placed them in a jar when he did his tour for investors.  He did not do this.  He also is on record for making the first ever ship to shore phone call when he was on the Potomac river in Washington, DC in a ship, and somehow, his device still worked.

So, although I do not claim to know exactly how his devices worked, I can judge by reading the history and make a few assumptions.  My EER (earth battery) works the best when it has not rained for days and the ground is totally dry.  I can place my electrodes in water and get some results but nowhere near what I can obtain outside in the earth with the proper alignment.  Also, I have dug up my metals 2 times in the past 2 years and see no evidence of any breakdown of the materials as Stubblefield had predicted.

Just my 2 cents from my A and experience.

Bill

Voltage is a differential quantity, so even in a copper copper earth battery setup voltage can be generated ( consequently amperage as well) if other parameters regarding earth batteries are followed.   

I think the earth does have a role in this as a conduction medium.  My problem with the "telluric receiver" theory is that output fluctuations should be occuring more often if a current propagating through the earth is affecting the receiver, the reason for this being that the current is inducing voltage to the secondary before the primary, and such fluctuations would be frequently upset the frequency output of the secondary leading to usage problems especially in the field of radio which Stubblefield concentrated on.  Areas which telluric currents pass through have a Low Frenquency Window, allowing the earth to act as a better conducting medium.  (source: wikipedia )  I think that the telluric hotspots hunted for by stubblefield in his experiments allowed a conduction to happen over a huge area consequently allowing a whole plethora of possibilities, such as greatly changing the difference in potential between two spots,  providing a path of low inductance and consequently inductive reactance. 

The lack of disintergration of materials has fascinated me,  The only thing that my mind can come up with is possibly the telluric currents electroplate/self-repair the coilbodies, but this may be a facet of the voltaic couple itself.  But this is definitely something that I am striving to understand so please tell me more about your findings, or direct me to a page if u can  lol this thread is 224 pages long.

Stubblefields wireless telephony exhibitions are neat, however there was an aerial that encircled the boat and im almost certain all of the  "Steampunk Cell Phones"      Maybe this was a way of achieving low inductance?  or maybe capacitance?   So that the coils could be tuned?    Though there is a plethora of info on earth batteries there is like 0 mention of the aerials on the internet that he used and im just beginning to learn about radio.     Also one factor affecting this communication that should be noted is the effect of AC discharge via grounding,  it disturbs the medium enough that it will render the  transmission on the wireless telephone unintelligble, this is attributed to one of NS's failed New York demonstrations that occured after its switch to Tesla  AC polyphase system.

[Pirate88179]

Voltage is a differential quantity, so even in a copper copper earth battery setup voltage can be generated ( consequently amperage as well) if other parameters regarding earth batteries are followed.   

I think the earth does have a role in this as a conduction medium.  My problem with the "telluric receiver" theory is that output fluctuations should be occuring more often if a current propagating through the earth is affecting the receiver, the reason for this being that the current is inducing voltage to the secondary before the primary, and such fluctuations would be frequently upset the frequency output of the secondary leading to usage problems especially in the field of radio which Stubblefield concentrated on.  Areas which telluric currents pass through have a Low Frenquency Window, allowing the earth to act as a better conducting medium.  (source: wikipedia )  I think that the telluric hotspots hunted for by stubblefield in his experiments allowed a conduction to happen over a huge area consequently allowing a whole plethora of possibilities, such as greatly changing the difference in potential between two spots,  providing a path of low inductance and consequently inductive reactance. 

The lack of disintergration of materials has fascinated me,  The only thing that my mind can come up with is possibly the telluric currents electroplate/self-repair the coilbodies, but this may be a facet of the voltaic couple itself.  But this is definitely something that I am striving to understand so please tell me more about your findings, or direct me to a page if u can  lol this thread is 224 pages long.

Stubblefields wireless telephony exhibitions are neat, however there was an aerial that encircled the boat and im almost certain all of the  "Steampunk Cell Phones"      Maybe this was a way of achieving low inductance?  or maybe capacitance?   So that the coils could be tuned?    Though there is a plethora of info on earth batteries there is like 0 mention of the aerials on the internet that he used and im just beginning to learn about radio.     Also one factor affecting this communication that should be noted is the effect of AC discharge via grounding,  it disturbs the medium enough that it will render the  transmission on the wireless telephone unintelligble, this is attributed to one of NS's failed New York demonstrations that occured after its switch to Tesla  AC polyphase system.

Wow!  I am impressed.  You raise some very valid points and it is obvious that you too have studied Stubblefield.  I will have to reread your post and research some specific points before I try to address them but, overall, I have to say that you are spot on in your conclusions as far as I see it.

I have seen from my scope shots of my 2 electrodes in the ground, huge spikes that could/might account for the energy NS spoke about in his secondary.  Now, as you know, I am surrounded by Tesla 60 hz grid energy which is grounded everywhere now.  Maybe that is what I am seeing.  But, I have argued with folks claiming the same thing about NS but here in KY there was no grid at that time in his area.  His farm site (now Murry State University) is like 2 hours west of my position.

I really appreciate your attitude and knowledge of this topic.  I don't claim to know how this worked but I do know a few things from my own experience.  Still, it is not enough to fully replicate what NS has done.  I hope you continue to post here and also, share any findings you might have from your own experiments.  I believe that with a lot of good minds working on this, we can get this device working as Nathan had himself so many years ago.

Bill

[IotaYodi]

But, I have argued with folks claiming the same thing about NS but here in KY there was no grid at that time in his area.

Even then he had to find the right location. The only known working coils I know of were close to the Appalachian mountain range which stretches 1,500 mi from Alabama to Québec. Mountain ranges and their makeup may play an important role for this coil. Heres another potential problem. According to Nasa the Earths pulse,Schumann resonance,has been changing. Also the Earths magnetic field has diminished by 10% according to Nasa. I cant remember the time line on that.

[electricme]

@all,

My oh my, there is a lot of very interresting "stuff" being discussed in these last two pages and I am taking my time to alow it to all digest.

OK, whilst the theory is being banted about I have grabbed a short length of varnished copper wire, about 2 meters (7 feet in old money) rolled it into a tight bundle, placed it in a stainless steel bowl, poored in som metho and set it on fire in the back yard, ha ha, well Im trying to unvarnish it, and I succeeded.
There was very little smoke as meths burns without smoke, so it was only the varnish that smoked, after a couple of minutes it was done.

It is also at least three times as easy to bend now, the varnish turned black then it seemed to take on a hammertone look, the bare copper could be seen at times through the flames. I let it cool down slowly and then it was a simple matter of strightning the copper wire. Next step is to see how I go with winding cotton around it.

jim