Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications

[IotaYodi]

The battery did not stop because the zinc got destroyed

My statement of the zinc being destroyed should have been the zinc helped to destroy the iron wire and its properties by galvanic action. Bad choice of words by me by not paying attention.
Researching zinc I found that zinc coated wires that are pitted deteriorate faster with a galvanic action. Not trying to put out false information just pointing out zinc pit falls when pumping current. Having a larger zinc coating on a better draw of wire would give you better galvanic action. The question would be how long will it last and is it going to make this coil better. Since iron is right below zinc in conductivity this makes zinc a much better conductor of electricity. The flow of current would then be higher on the thin zinc coating than the iron. Whats that doing to the irons magnetic field as well as to the zinc coating? Serious question. It may help to scrape off the zinc on the terminal ends and try to get more current on the iron wire itself and see what happens. Another question for me is if the radiant energy part of the current is helping to deteriorate the zinc?
I have read this patent frequently and noticed the statement that the secondary is wound with ordinary wire. You would think the reference to "ordinary wire" is copper just because of its conductivity. Why would they use the word ordinary wire on an electrical patent such as this. Was it a mistake or should be obvious statement. Is there another statement somewhere else where he says the secondary is copper?  Iron may not be as good a conductor as copper, but its magnetic field and collapse is more profound.
My observations and opinions of this ongoing mystery!

[Mk1]

@IotaYodi

Well , you know lidmotor redid his coil with the same wire , the only difference is how tight it is , but why do they galvanize iron ?
If it rust faster ?

All i am saying is make the coil like NS , there wire will get smaller with time ,now you can re do it tight or put it in the garbage , or pull it tight like NS show us with a bolt , even harder to find , but if you have the core easy to make .

On a prototype coil the bolts is not needed but a final working devise really needs it .

I want us to work it out , nothing against you , but the info about the wire rusting being the reason for the coil failure , is bad all around .

It only confuses people , doesn't provide solutions , make them potentially spend more money then needed on wire .

But the real question is galvanized steel will stay magnetized , and how is that different then regular iron , And i am not talking about the core but the coil.

Cheers

Mark

     


 

[electricme]

@all,

A couple of days ago I bought a coil of wire covered in zinc, now after reading all the above posts I am beginning to realise this may have been a mistake, but I intend to remove the zinc using electrolysis, simple to setup in a plastic 2 gallon bucket of water. One electrode is the zinc covered iron wire, the other will be a short length of copper pipe and connect them to a car battery charger.

I'm thinking the galvanic action that takes place on metal hull ships is stopped by screwing zinc plates to the hulls, the zinc is sacrificed instead of the boats hull.
It just may be the zinc on iron wire wound coils is functioning as the sacrificial anode, once the zinc is gone, the stubblefield coil will begin to function properly.
As someone pointed out, squeezing the coil produces an output, as the copper wire and the iron wire comes closer together, so the electrical reaction between the two dissimilar coils goes up.

Once the all the zinc is gone, I should have just iron wire to wind my stubblefield coils with.

Another thing is, the more turns on the primary, the greater the galvanic output of magnetism, voltage and current. 



Work is continuing on my Cotton Winding Machine.

jim

[Pirate88179]

Jim:

I think you are spot on with your reasoning.  I think you are correct that the very thin zinc coating will be the first to go.  It is probably only angstroms in thickness and it would not take long.

MK1 has an interesting thought on the NS coil whereby you add additional pressure via the nut and bolt and compress the windings as they deteriorate.  This may turn out to be a very important observation in all of this.

Be well my friend.

Bill

[IotaYodi]

but why do they galvanize iron ?
If it rust faster ?

There are three dissimilar metals working against each other here with electric current involved. A different ballgame. If you have galvanized wire alone like barb wire it does last longer. After about 20 years or so in the natural environment like heat,cold and water,barb wire starts to visibly rust.

But the real question is galvanized steel will stay magnetized , and how is that different then regular iron

That can be a large difference. Steel does have iron but if you have a high carbon content it becomes permanently magnetized. That will destroy the magnetic field collapse and the interactions with the adjacent copper wire even with a proper iron core. Standard carbon steel also has a much lower conductivity than iron. Other steels are even lower. I live on a ranch and have done magnetic remanence tests on galvanized barb wire,regular galvanized wire and construction tie wire. The barb wire stayed magnetized even when I switched polarity. The smaller tie wire was about the same. Your standard tie wire is high carbon steel. I did 2 sizes of regular galvanized wire. The smaller one,maybe 20 gauge,didnt show much at all. The larger one showed some.
My point is the amount of iron in the wire whether galvanized or not. Plus the size of the wire. You have 3 dissimilar metals,copper,steel and zinc. Thats a large galvanic action from what I see. What I dont want is for people to think that plain galvanized wire is the way to go when trying to build a full working coil. The cost of a proper gauge galvanized high iron content wire will be higher and the coil is more than just galvanic.
I think the galvanized wire experiments are great and are needed. I spend hours on research. Being an electrician for years I know a little about electricity but I dont know the fine details of its physics. I want to know as much as I can  with this coil in detail before I build it. I pay attention to everyone who is fooling with this. Details of these experiments are important. The more details the better the understanding for me. If I dont fully understand I will ask questions and everyone else should. Stubblefield made this work and I want to know the reasons why. These mysteries of Stubblefield, Ed L and others from the past are not solved yet. The only thing I can say about that Is "What in the wide world of sports is going on here"!!