Are there any running magnet motors?

[hansvonlieven]

@honk,

This is a good experiment you have set up there, I am curious as to the results.

Btw, do you know how much energy is required to magnetise a neo magnet? I have no data on that.

Hans von Lieven

[Honk]

No, I dont know the energy need except it's a short pulse of thousands of amps going into a coil forming an electro magnet.
If the coil is super cooled then the energy reqired almost zero, due to the super conducting effect.

I got some new information on how neo magnets are affected by magnetic fields. Please read this link.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2751.msg56551#msg56551

[tinu]

Btw, do you know how much energy is required to magnetise a neo magnet? I have no data on that.

I have no data either. Subject is well worthy of some documentation.

I can update you that I've had N50M neo magnets in totaly close repel mode for 5 month by now and they show no sign of demagnetization at all.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2751.msg47490#msg47490

May I suggest that measuring B in one point or in several points at surface is not necessarily accurate? Actually, you may measure about or very close to .51T for a long time, although the overall flux of the magnet is diminished. This is because the induction at surface is given by the whole volume of the magnet, including the domains from the opposite side as that stressed. What you loose is primarily on the stressed surface. And in order to determine this, an integral of the whole flux would be needed. Of course, integrating is not easy neither convenient. But as alternative, I suggest measuring B at several fixed distances and not at the surface. Higher the distance (up to the available resolution), better the estimate. Agree?

I?d like very much to kindly ask you posting updates on the subject according to the above suggestion, if not too difficult.

Many thanks in advance,
Tinu

[kinggeorge]

It would seem like putting to Magnets in a non metallic tube with one being repused / lifted above the other would take into effect the total field losses. The top magnet could be weighted down also.

Experiment #1 measure drop in repulsed magnets distance over time.

Experiment # 2 mechanical oscillator to raise and lower bottom magnet causing top magnet to raise and lower again measure drop in distance between two magnets of time.

Any loss in lifting power  over time would show true loss of both magnets strength.

George King
www.cosmicsalamander.com

[klicUK]

G'day all,

I have been very quiet until now.

When I earlier pointed out that the amount of energy required to create a magnet was conveniently ignored by most researchers, which seem to see in a permanent magnet a thing that just happens to exist on its own rather than something that had been created with a considerable amount of energy.

The question is where did that energy go?

I was abused for making such a statement. I did not make that statement lightly but as a result of considerable experimentation and contemplation.

It therefore surprises me that no-one to date has actually asked me why I would be making such a statement and what my thoughts on the matter are in detail. Instead I get abuse from those who want us to believe they have a scientific approach to things and accuse me of being unscientific.

If abuse instead of reasoned argument is scientific then I am indeed no scientist.

Hans von Lieven

Hi Hans,

Surely the position is this. If someone gets a magnet motor working and the amount of energy produced by that device when its coupled up to an generaor / alternator exceeds the amount of energy that it took to energise the magnets, then the system is an OU device. If it stops running before that point then it isn't.

No one knows the answer yet - at least if they do they havn't given a public demo to prove their claims.

klicUK