Rodin Theory & Coils

[c0mster]

@Rosphere
Thanks for posting the pic. Those blue things remind me of those kids toys you can get that you stack the different plastic rings. I am trying to understand just how this coil is wrapped so I can begin one as well. I am knee deep in another project currently but may move on to this soon.

[acerzw]

@robsphere & c0mster

great to see your enthusiasm... rodin's own site is a great source for the information you want, I recommend re-examining its contents now and then... but Russ Blake mentions the coil configuration:

The Rodin Coil

The Rodin Coil is a toroidal?or doughnut-shaped?form wound by wires in a pattern consistent with the number patterns discovered by Mr. Rodin. Toroidal shapes wound with wires are commonly used for inductors in electrical circuits, often for use in transformers. However the pattern of winding in a Rodin Coil is radically different from conventional toroidal coils. Experimenters have produced some samples of the Rodin Coil to measure the effects of this new approach to winding wires around a torus.

To understand these effects it is necessary to review just a little electrical theory. When a current is passing through a wire it creates a magnetic field around the wire. When a wire is coiled like a cylindrical spring, as though wrapped around a pencil, the magnetic fields from the turns of the coil reinforce each other to increase the strength of the magnetic field. When the coil is bent into a circle, so that the ends meet, the majority of the magnetic force is concentrated inside the coil. This is considered a benefit in electrical circuit design, since stray magnetic fields can upset the operation of other parts of the circuit.

In a conventional coil the windings lay one after another just like the windings of a cylindrical spring. In a Rodin Coil, the windings lie on the surface of the torus, but do not lie consecutively adjacent to each other. Instead they reach along the surface, through the central, doughnut hole area, and 30 degrees short of directly across the torus. This forms, in addition to the wires on the outer surface, a crisscrossing circle of wires in the center of the torus. (The central figure formed by the wires in the doughnut hole is really a polygon of 24 sides for each completed wrap of the coil: so many sides it is considered a circle.)

Due to the central circle of wires in a Rodin Torus, it naturally creates a greatly increased magnetic field in the center of the torus, when compared to a conventional coil wound with the same amount of wire. In addition the field generated is much more coherent, in the sense of being much more sensitive to a particular frequency of applied current. These properties are the basis for useful applications of the Rodin Coil, as well as for any limitations in its use.

All this having been said, it is worth noting that no one has as yet created a coil precisely conforming to Mr. Rodin's exacting recommendations, all of which derive from the numerical patterns he has discovered in the decimal number system. The effects of a really well constructed Rodin Coil remain untested.

The increase in magnetic field over a conventional coil that is found with a Rodin Coil has been observed to be limited if the hollow torus is replaced by the ferrite core used in conventional electric motors. The reason is that the ferrite core reaches magnetic saturation, beyond which no additional magnetic field can be produced. Assuming this difficulty can be overcome by judicious choice of core materials, or that hollow cores can produce enough current, a motor based on the Rodin Coil could be markedly more efficient at generating electrical energy than a conventionally constructed electric motor. (The possibility of a hollow core electric motor is exciting due to the light weight of such a design.

Evolutionary Applications

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Before enumerating these practical possibilities, we should mention that they all require using the Rodin Coil in a more or less conventional fashion. We do not intend here to describe in complete detail how a Rodin Coil is wrapped, as this is covered to some extent in supporting documentation. (Detailed engineering work on Rodin Coil design specification still needs attention.) Here we only wish to point out that in a "real" Rodin Coil, there are two wires used to form the wrap; these are not connected to each other, but rather each wire is connected to itself to complete a loop at the end of the wrap. Thus there is no way to extract current directly from these wires or to energize them directly with an external current. In this section on Evolutionary Applications we divert from the strict Rodin Coil design, and energize the coils in a more conventional fashion, by connecting the ends of the two loops to one or two current sources or sinks, so we can utilize and measure the coil's properties along the lines of conventional electrical engineering. In the next section, on Revolutionary Applications, we revert to the true coil design as envisioned by Mr. Rodin.

Hope this helps... also look at links in the index post in relation to JNaudin's replication.

In relation to the whole number game, it is more to do with the patterns than the numbers... I will post further on this topic.... it is very interesting and requires a new understanding of maths as Rodins maths is not the same as normal maths... it is based on a different philosophy...

Acerzw

[acerzw]

In relation to Rodin's maths philosophy I am reposting here a slightly edited version of a post I made on the 'TPU General Discussion' thread:

Rodin's maths is a superset of normal base 10 maths that can be applied to the universe, he has shown how he derived his ideas... so we have ideas on how to build on his theory... if you look you will understand the implications... I do not have to look too hard because I just 'know', I am lucky in that, it is not blind faith I am expressing, I have always had good intuition in matters of logic... I am not trying to boast... just state what appears to me to be 'true'... tis in the bones... but I can give it meaning in a less mystical way...

If you apply the logic of Kurt Godel, his theories show that any paradox in a mathematical or well formed symbolic language can be resolved by expressing the paradox, in a superset of that language... or at least when the definition or use of it symbols are changed to make the context bigger... it is a beautiful thing to witness... read Rodin's page and see how he derived his number system... simple... natural... and easy... so you were taught that maths has to be hard, that you need to sit in a room for years looking at dusty books and grow a beard to be intelligent and achieve anything with it... nice image if you are a professor or the next Einstein... but why should it be so... does not your 'gut' tell you that maths should not be hard, that it should be easy... like singing...

I think we all 'feel' that we should be good at maths, in our hearts, right? Have you ever asked yourself why conventional maths and anything expressed or based on it such as physics and EM theories are littered with infinities, paradoxes and singularities...

This is the point at which conventional maths always fails... Why is there no theory of everything that unifies Einsteins Relativity Theories with Quantum Mechanics... why do we have to resort to the convolution of adding multiple dimensions to everything... why does it all appear so complicated...

The answer is easy:

<<< Commence Zen Maths Rant >>>

We forget that numbers are just symbols... conventional science makes the numbers things... it confuses what the number symbolises with the 'number'...

Numbers are not things, they are placeholders for elements that form patterns, yet we try to subdivide these placeholders, we lose sight of the 'pattern' the bigger picture... then we are lost, lost, lost...

Once you realise that a number is not a thing, it is part of a pattern and that the pattern is important and not the thing, then you really see... it is like the old Zen saying... 'A finger pointing at the moon is not the moon'... so the placeholder, the number is not the pattern that is reveals...

So Rodin's maths appears different, mystical even, because it is about pattern, the pattern of existence that underlies creation... the pattern we do not see because we are to busy looking at the finger, not seeing what it is pointing too...

Rodin's Maths is the moon (not the finger, normal maths is the finger, the distraction necessary to reveal the moon's presence), an expression of the pattern of creation, and therefore the key to free energy or anything else you care to apply it to...

<<< End of Zen Maths Rant >>>

Rodin's maths solves all these conventional problems, it is the very breath of god...

So throw away your conventional thinking, stop thinking of numbers as things... see that is the pattern, the tapestry that the numbers show, like the windings on a coil, the pattern they form is important, the shape of the field they make when powered, but the wire is not the field...

Acerzw

[c0mster]

Soon as I finish up this project I'll be on the Robin Coil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3nPa7Y7EBs

C

[Rosphere]

@acerzw, can you show one example of a maths complexity that simplifies using Rodin maths?

I purchased one ten-inch decorative foam ring from a craft store yesterday: 250mm Torus O.D., 38mm Tube Dia., $(tree-fiddy.)

Now I need to mark the OD with 36 evenly spaced points, stick a pin into the foam at every third point, and use these pins as guides to start wrapping my first wire.  Once I hit all twelve points with the first wrap I will remove the guide pins.

My big question now is, what size mag-wire should I use?

My previous TPU failures have left me with nearly a half pound each of 30, 28, 26, 24, & 22 AWG mag-wire.  If I use the thickest 22 AWG wire then I will need less wraps to cover the 2/3 area.  But if I use the thinnest 30 AWG wire then I will get more wraps per the same surface area.  The adult in me wants to use the 30 AWG wire for more length, stronger magnetic fields, and a lower (I assume) resonant frequency, but the kid in me wants to use the 22 AWG wire to complete wrapping that much sooner.  Recommendations?