Meyer's Resonant Charging Circuit Analysed

[twohawks]

@FD ...I find your musings quite stimulating.  I have been very interested in the idea of possible relationship(s) of this water tech to/with Tesla Coil tech, so I am excited to see you questioning that.

Please forgive that I am so bogged down in my own work-a-day life that I have little time for catching up on the documentation (which I am endeavoring to do, albeit slowly), and on upgrading my understandings in the fields of electronics and some water - chem.... reviewing your post it makes me wonder if there may be easily created some sort of feedback sensor for tuning the voltage you are musing over.  For instance, maybe taking a current (or some other) reading(s) in the water for feeding back into the pwm somewhere in order to allow it to self adjust the voltage you are speaking to.

I know that's very general (and looking at your writings I bet you have already thought some about this), does this relate and if so how would one envision that to be structured?

Cheers,
HTH

[Farrah Day]

Hi TH

If I'm correct in my theorising, then there will not be any need for a feedback loop.  Once the voltage builds up to the dielectric breakdown threshold, it will simply start doing so again once the dielectric reforms. The critical frequency will be the one that allows the voltage to build up quickly, but also allows the dielectric time to reform.

This of course would explain also why everyones wfc would be most efficient at different and specific frequencies, and why there is not one common frequency... everyones cell would have different capacities and dielectric layers. 

If, as many people seem to think, we were pulsing the water itself at waters resonant frequency, then anyone using the same water should be using the same frequency irrespective of their design of wfc - I don't believe this is the case.

The other key thing for my is the wfc's running cold. With normal electrolysis, ion charge carriers travel through the electrolyte physically knocking into other ions and molecules, and being much bigger than the electrons that carry the charge in metals, they create much more resistance and hence heat in the solution.  By contrast with Meyers wfc, we don't exploit ions in the water to carry a charge, we develop a large electric field that polarises the water molecule, but then rapidly ionises the water molecule itself when the dielectric breaksdown. It can't be a coincidence that the cell remains cold when ionisation is an 'endothermic' reaction.

[Farrah Day]

I've got another theory.

This is, that for maximum efficiency of a Meyer like wfc, the pulse frequency needs to tie in with the effective LC relationship of the cell and inductor/telsa coil.  And, the sole reason that this frequency is modulated by another much lower frequency, and hence providing an 'off' time, is precisely to allow the dielectric to reform.

To my mind, a lot of things are now making sense for the first time, and I feel the true science behind the wfc is now within grasping distance.

[twohawks]

I know it doesn't mean much, and especially coming from my limited understanding of the greater body of details [as yet], but I was reading up a little more today and then saw your post tonite... I have to say I continue to find your thinking on the subject quite compelling.

So the question that strikes me is how would qualifying/quantifying the Cells' Capacitance part of that equation be approached and figured? (Is this a good question or is it obvious?) 
   As an aside, I am still trying to wrap my brain around the water not being a/the dielectric yet being present inbetween the cathode and the anode, said anode having its thin chromium oxide dielectric... it makes good sense in light of so many things, but then what of the space inbetween the anode/cathode that is filled with... what term would fit for the water (since its not a dialectric)?  I mean, that's not the idea of a wet capacitor actually, now is it?  {I am so parochial... 8YP}
     And does the size of that space/gap necessarily benefit from being as small as possible (as Meyers has indicated in his work)?

Anyway, with regard to the LC tuning, I came across something today ...I wonder if this may be helpful...
http://www.frontiernet.net/~tesla/html/tuneacoil.htm

Cheers,
HTH

[Farrah Day]

The capacitance of the cells are a problem in terms of giving it a value. This is not only just because everyones cells will offer a different surface area to everyone elses, but also that the state of the dielectric layer will be different. I.e. how 'conditioned' the electrodes are in terms of the dielectric layer thickness.

Purely out of interest, I recently did a rough calculation of the capacitance of Bob Boyces 100 cell (6" x 6"), assuming 10 microns of dielectric and came up with a figure of 258nF.

The thing about the water is, that although it conducts (it is a non-linear resistor), it is far less an efficient conductor than metal. In water, large ions are travelling through the electrolyte, carrying their charges from one side to the other.  You can actually see the disturbance in the water that this causes. On the other hand, electrons are tiny (you can't see the metal moving) and effectively only have to travel between one atom and the next. A bit like a line of ballbearings in a tube, if you fill the tube and then push an extra one in one end, another will immediately pop out the other end. Hence electron flow is near instantaneous, where as ion current through an electrolyte is very slow.

This leads me to think that even 'unconditioned' electrodes will show some capacitance, as the ions are physically so much slower than the electrons that they will not be able to keep up with the charge exchange in order to balance the circuit when faced with a near instantaneous squarewave pulse. Electrons then will tend to pile up on the cathode with every pulse, while the same can be said about the +ve 'holes' on the anode.

Initially I thought that the size of the gap between the metal electrodes might become irrelevant if the dielectric was the oxide layer, but on thinking about this further, the closer the two metal electrodes the more intense the electrostatic field across the water before the oxide layer breaks down. 

All good stuff!