Meyer's Resonant Charging Circuit Analysed

[oystla]

Farrah,

Do a search on google on diode and capacitance, and read about it.

YES diodes have a capacitance value in reverse and therefore they acts as capacitors in revers.

You need to update your knowledge.

On Youtube you will find people allready copying the "meyer" effect, i.e. high voltage avalanche breakdown of water,  and verifying the results using the Lawton circuitry.

By the way, Meyer never referred to water resonance, Its the electrical circuit resonance he talked about, using water cell as capacitor as part of the circuit.

[oystla]

Farrah,

Do a search on google on diode and capacitance, and read about it.

YES diodes have a capacitance value in reverse and therefore they acts as capacitors in revers.

You need to update your knowledge.

On Youtube you will find people allready copying the "meyer" effect, i.e. high voltage avalanche breakdown of water,  and verifying the results using the Lawton circuitry.

By the way, Meyer never referred to water resonance, Its the electrical circuit resonance he talked about, using water cell as capacitor as part of the circuit.

[Farrah Day]

I did not mean to belittle you in anyway Oystla, I was simply attempting to put you straight. It's just that you are on the wrong track with the diode-capacitor thing.

I do not need to update my knowledge on this, you simply need to understand a few basics and realise where your going wrong.  Most components will exhibit a small capacitance, even two parallel tracks on a cct board will, but a diode in reverse does not a capacitor make.  A diode works and acts nothing like a capacitor, even tho it will exhibit a tiny amount of capacitance. A capacitor will pass AC, a diode will not.  I think it's a case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing, but don't let me put you off using diodes as capacitors. In fact why not simply ditch the diode altogether and use a proper capacitor instead?

Meyer's version of resonance in his technical briefs is flawed throughout, he talks about a series resonant tuned cct providing maximum voltage and minimum current at the resonant frequency, when in fact this applies only to a parallel resonant tuned cct.  It is completely the opposite for a series cct.  Meyer never fully explains how hydrogen and oxygen are liberated by using a resonant frequency, he just assumed that it was somehow, as he puts it, 'pulling the water apart'. Not good enough I'm afraid. No comprehendable scientific explanation and no reaction equations to
emphasise what is actually occuring.  Basically a lot of invented bullshit that should be taken with a pinch of salt!
I'm well versed in the Meyer technical briefs and his misguided babblings on electronics theory - read the patents, laughed at the technical briefs and got the t-shirt!


AM, I think Meyer used tubes because they are more efficient and easier to assemble than plates.

Construct a bifilar coil as in Teslas patents and inductive reactance will equal capacitive reactance and cancel each other out a certain specific frequency. At that frequency the coil would not show any capacitance or inductance.  This method is used to make low value wire wound resistors that exhibit hardly any reactance.

There is a lot of hearsay and nonsense about Meyer patents. Don't be drawn in or swayed by this, stand back, be objective and give it a little thought.

Why would he alter the ccts in his patent?  The patent is designed to protect the invention 'as is' and as such will only protect the invention as given to the patent office. Why would he want something that does not work protected and thereby leave an opening for someone else to patent there own modified proper working version?  Think. If he thought that the patent office would sell on or disclose his invention, then why would he go there in the first place?

No, Meyer patented what he thought he needed to before he had a working model, hoping he would get there in the near future, and possibly of course to create investor interest.  He was trying to patent his 'idea', hoping to put his idea into reality before too long.  By doing this he hoped to stop anyone else jumping on the band wagon and 'pipping him to the post!'   I think he 'over-cooked it' somewhere along the line though and began to find himself in trouble when things were'nt progressing as planned.

But hey, that's only my opinion. Plenty of Meyer fanatics and 'blind faith' followers hang onto every word of his technical briefs like their life depended on it.  Such is life!

[z_p_e]

FD,

First, good job on your work and analysis. I wish there were more folks like you investigating the TPU.

Second, I don't want to harp or dwell on this, but diodes do exhibit capacitance while in reverse bias. The capacitance is proportional to the amount of reverse bias. There is even a device produced specifically to capitalize on this effect, and they're called "varactor diodes". They are used to "pull" the frequency of crystal oscillators, and act as one of the capacitor legs in the circuit around the xtal. Was Meyers using the diode in his WFC as a capacitor?...probably not. Just a FYI.

One thing I would suggest, although it has been touched on a couple of times, is to analyse the WFC itself. Specifically, how the water acts in the cell. You mentioned that it exhibits a non-linear resistance. Is there info on this? References? I am not doubting you, but some technical data would be helpful. The water and cell needs to be modeled imho. As oystla said, part of that model would be a capacitor/resistor pair in parallel across the plates. The resistor models the dielectric (water) resistance. All capacitors can be modeled this way, but the resistor in the WFC capacitor model is much lower in value than "real" capacitors, AND as you say, it may be non-linear in nature. I would like to know in what way is it non-linear? Is it due to ion lag and inertia perhaps?

The dielectric layer on the electrodes is another important factor I believe, as do you. So now there are two very different dielectrics in series, one very thin and highly dielectric, and one very thick with poor dielectric properties.

Just a couple thoughts for now...

[oystla]

OK,

1. I know Meyer had no formal scientific training, and was "self taught" on many fields. His claims and explanations is therefore difficult to grasp, and seems to be a lot of BS. He uses words for things that are not used in science, so one have to try to "convert" his phrases and try to interpret what he actually meant.

But I agree He was far out on many claims.

2. However his patents on water "electrolysis" are interesting. His first patent on the issue we are discussing here was filed in the early eighties (1982 i believe..)


3. If you connect a diode, inductor and capacitor in series, feed it with a pulse signal and connect an oscilloscope, you will see a decaying pulse between the diode and the capacitor. The timing will be the resonating  frequency of the circuit, which is depended on electrical properties of the components, just as Meyer stated....