Meyer's Resonant Charging Circuit Analysed

[Dr. Tesla]

Farrah Day,

is it worth wasting the time on a concept that is obviously flawed and most likely just a scam? I mean, Meyer talks about the resonant/capacitance cell, and then says that ordinary, even muddy, water can be used...Even I know that impurities will make the current flow between the plates, and in a capacitor-like cell that is not what you want. Even if you make some gasses, as some have done, the efficiency will be very likely well below overunity.

I am tempted to talk my friend electronic engineer in to try and test Kanarev cell, if we can work out the shape of the cell, and whether the shape is actually crucial to efficiency. Conical shape, as drawn in his papers, would be a bit of a challenge to make properly, unless done by professional. Which also may turn into a challenge given that it would be a very small job for a professional to do.

[Farrah Day]

Blimey Ausse, 80,KV is one hell of a kick from a car coil. Most standard coils provide between 15 - 25KV.  Even high energy coils over here only provide 40KV!

Doc, Meyer might have talked garbage, but a dc resonant charging cct is a genuine cct and does work, as they are used to fire Tesla coils. Whether or not it works as Meyer described for a wfc, is however extremely debatable. For one thing, you can't keep upping the voltage across a wfc like Meyer states. A dc resonant charging cct will only double the supply voltage, so it is futile for folks to try to get thousands of volts across their cells from a 12 volt supply unless they are using a transformer, a car coil, tv flyback transformer or something similar.

Meyers statements about water are all utter nonsense, he talks about the relative permitivity of pure water (gives the dielectric constant as 78ish) then says he uses tap water! But I'm working on the theory that the water is not the dielectric as Meyer stated, so it does not matter what water you use. I think that the dielectric which forms the capacitor is an insulating layer that builds up on the cathode.  Initially I assumed it would be an enhancement of the protective chromium oxide layer on the anode, but this appears not to be the case, as the cathode is where we get a build up of some compound. Puzzled by what, as it shouldn't be an oxide as it is a reduction reaction.  Whatever it is, those who have conditioned their electrodes find that it is an insulator. The cathodes in my test cell have also begun to form this white compound.

As far as it being worth the effort, well, my curiosity has gotten the better of me now, so I'm enjoying the learning process. I tend to do things my own way using tried and tested electronics rather than trying to replicate Meyer's scribblings, so at least I know what I have to start with.

The problem is that those who genuinely seem to have made progress don't tend to visit the forum anymore, so comparing notes and results is not an option, which seems odd to me.

[Schpankme]

What quantity of HHO will your motor need to run on:
100% HHO
50% HHO
25% HHO
10% HHO

- Schpankme

[aussepom]

Hi    Faraday and doc
Yes it makes a lot of noise; at least you both agree with me and my friend that Myer's stuff was basically all bull.
I do not go into that Myer stuff any more a waste of time, her we have done testing and found that you will need 180 lts a min to run a 2,000cc 4cly engine and that?s at a fixed speed.
You can not have resonance in a DC circuit.
And yes the use of extreme high voltage as in above 1,000 volt will not be of any benefit.
aussepom

[Farrah Day]

Ausse

I'm on a steep learning curve just trying to get to grips with the science involved at present. Be awhile before I'm attempting to run an ICE with my wfc! No doubt you'll see me in the news when I'm motoring around town in a large 4WD powered by my wfc... don't hold your breath tho!

Noticed Spankmes brief post which reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask. Why does everyone use the abbreviation HHO when talking about the gas output from a wfc or electrolyser? Bit of a misnomer this. Surely it should be H2, O2 or more correctly balanced, 2H2, O2.

One thing I'm sure we won't be getting is monatomic hydrogen and oxygen!  Not really important, but it's just been bugging me

Ausse, your 180 litres per min for a 2000cc engine, was that using a 4% hydrogen mix calculation in the normal air intake?