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THEORY on TPU energy scource

Started by sparks, November 14, 2007, 12:11:50 AM

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Magluvin

Quote from: Turbo on November 03, 2016, 04:30:43 AM
Dear Mags,

You are very close.
However the two flows are completely separated.
I am not much of an artist but i have drawn a simple sketch for you of what it is suppose to look like.
As you can see in the image the two flows happen on the same single wire, completely separated from each other.
This only incorporates the clean DC components.
When you replace the batteries you mentioned with switching elements you will then be able to generate high voltage and rf components that do cause interaction between these coil sections.
Then you will be able to generate the interaction Steven mentions in his writings.
Especially when your switching frequency is somewhat related to the resonance frequency, or a harmonic of the coil you made.....

So as you can see in the schematic the batteries are not in series, this is where you (have to) leave that textbook.
I noticed the arrows are drawn wrongly, but i hope you get the point.

If you have any more questions let me know.

Hey Turbo

Where did you run across that config as explained by Tesla? Just wondered

Mags

Magluvin

Quote from: Turbo on November 03, 2016, 04:30:43 AM
Dear Mags,

You are very close.
However the two flows are completely separated.
I am not much of an artist but i have drawn a simple sketch for you of what it is suppose to look like.
As you can see in the image the two flows happen on the same single wire, completely separated from each other.
This only incorporates the clean DC components.
When you replace the batteries you mentioned with switching elements you will then be able to generate high voltage and rf components that do cause interaction between these coil sections.
Then you will be able to generate the interaction Steven mentions in his writings.
Especially when your switching frequency is somewhat related to the resonance frequency, or a harmonic of the coil you made.....

So as you can see in the schematic the batteries are not in series, this is where you (have to) leave that textbook.
I noticed the arrows are drawn wrongly, but i hope you get the point.

If you have any more questions let me know.

Also, one thing I find in common with 2 outer coils and one in between, if one of the coils is wound opposing, or not as you show, where you just reverse the input of one of the outer coils, is the fact that 2 bucking coil fields of the outer coils presents a single pole in the middle with those fields emanating out radially in the area of the middle coil. This seems like a good thing as it is concentrated on the middle coil as a whole.  Like the way I have been applying magnets to mechanically induce coils, Ive mounted disk magnets with like poles facing with a plastic spacer and that combined pole fieled leaves that spacer gap radially so as it passes through the air core the fields are in a position to cut the coil winding all the way around the coil, not just one side of the coil, as we typically see. Like a typical pulse motor, the magnet passes one side of the coil, cutting that side, causing current to say go up in those winding portions producing say a pos output swing, and then the magnet departs the coil center its fields cut that side of the coils windings, now causing the current in that side of the coil to go up, and in the opposite direction as the approach, giving a neg output swing. In that case, only half or most likely less than half of the winding is being induced by the magnet pass, at least at perfect right angles.  That was why I did my Lasersaber Eazy Spin Motor version with twice as many mags alternating poles, so that there is a magnet cutting the approach of each coil while the other mag of opposite polarity is cutting the other side of the coil.

Even in a transformer like a toroid where the pri is on one side and the sec on the other, if you believe like me that the primary field cuts across the core hole to cut the sec to induce it, then most likely only the pri winding portions in the toroid hole are interacting with the inner portions of the sec winding, etc.


So in reference to this, Im wondering if there is an advantage to inducing the whole sec coil via this radial field from the 2 opposing coils, or mags.



I suppose the 2 legs in the middle are the output? Does the middle coil even have to be connected to the outer coils as shown, as the only way I see it providing any output is by way of induction?

Mags

Magluvin

Also, you can download Picpick picture editor and resize the pics to fit the page. It has a resize option and it looks like you need to shrink to 30%

It has screen capture also which helps making pics you cant grab n save easily

Mags

Turbo

Dear Mags,

I do not really care about the size of my image, i care more about what it displayed.
Nothing has survived.
The schematic was intended exactly 'as is' but unfortunately, you already started to modify it mentally.
Unfortunately, if you remove the electrical connections between the coil sections, the model does not meet the one wire criteria any more.
As a result, the model would also not meet the multiple electron flow in a single wire anymore.

Magluvin

Quote from: Turbo on November 06, 2016, 04:10:52 AM
Dear Mags,

I do not really care about the size of my image, i care more about what it displayed.
Nothing has survived.
The schematic was intended exactly 'as is' but unfortunately, you already started to modify it mentally.
Unfortunately, if you remove the electrical connections between the coil sections, the model does not meet the one wire criteria any more.
As a result, the model would also not meet the multiple electron flow in a single wire anymore.

Its been told to many here about the reason pics should fit the page. It stretches the screen beyond normal borders, of which a lot of text posts are stretched along with it. So it is yeah, easy for those to throw up huge pics, even if that detail is unnecessary, but now most readers have to move the screen back and forth, back and forth, just to read the posts of a page, all because one guy doesnt care.   ???


Ok, so how exactly are you determining that the currents are flowing in both directions in one wire?

1   Is it just trickery by having current flow one way in the left coil/batt and current flowing in the other direction in the right coil/batt, and the coil in the middle is just there for the sake of calling it all one wire???

2   I thought that what Tesla meant here was that currents could flow in opposite directions side by side in a wire. like a 2 way street. But if as you seem to illustrate that he just meant that in a length of wire that in one section of the wire we can apply a source across just that section, making current in one direction, in that wire section, and then doing the same on another section of the wire, but reverse polarity of that source so the currents in that section of wire are opposite of the other powered section, no 2 way streets, then I have to say, well, woopty doo.  What is the gist?

3   The way I see it, as you show, the middle coil should do exactly what it would do, whether it is connected to the outer coils or not. It would be induced by the outer coils for a short period when applying dc input and when removing it, or if the outer coils are ac input.  So what makes it special with the middle coil connected to the outer coils vs not connected?

Mags