Looking for clarification on Water Fuel Cell and similar topics

[weareone]

     Hello, I am new to this field of research/design and I am very interested in learning more.  The implications, if what is being presented on the internet is true, are immense.  However, I am having trouble sorting out the differences and similarities (in process and design) between the different types of cells out there. 
       To begin, I am aware that simple electrolysis is nothing new, nor incredibly helpful as an energy solution - as laws of conservation limit this process considerably.  So, am I to assume that there are people out there who are getting more energy out (in hydrogen - oxygen form)  than they put in (electricity)?  If this is true, does anybody have any hypothesis for where the additional energy is coming from?  Secondly, is this gas also referred to as Brown's Gas?
       I am also curious about the relationship of the WFC, as Stanley Meyer and others have created, and the Joe Cell.  It appears that the first is completely focused on HHO production and combustion, with the primary variable being the type (frequency, amperage, voltage) of electricity applied to the cell.  All the plates or tubes are also always tied into an electrical circuit. 
      The Joe cell, on the other hand, does not appear to focus on gas production - at least HHO gas.  Orgone, or some other gas/force is deemed to be the primary energy source in this system. There is also the potential, based on the vids on the internet, to run the system without electricty being applied - any comments? Furthermore, it appears that the Joe Cell is working in a vacuum which is created by the engine - does this have any pertinence to the WFC.  There are also neutral plates in the Joe Cell, whereas in the WFC all the plates are in the circuit.  Can someone shed some light on this for me.
      Can someone tell me if these two types of cells have an equal weighting in the overunity  world.  In other words, which cell has more validity, or are they the same.  I am not necessarily referring to scientific validity here.  As traditional science goes, these cells should never achieve over 100% efficiency, so i am more curious about theoretical and executable validity.
       Lastly, how do the latest HHO "booster kits" for vehicles fit into the picture.  They appear to increase a vehicle's efficiency (MPG) but is that the effect of a simple increase in the overall efficiency of the engine or is there an overunity process in affect? From a traditional scientific perspective I cannot see how using an alternator (which runs off the engine) to crack water will produce more energy in the end.  Won't the pull of the fuel cell simply increase the load on the alternator and increase the load on the engine?  Or is there something else going on? 

Thank you,

[shruggedatlas]

       Lastly, how do the latest HHO "booster kits" for vehicles fit into the picture.  They appear to increase a vehicle's efficiency (MPG) but is that the effect of a simple increase in the overall efficiency of the engine or is there an overunity process in affect? From a traditional scientific perspective I cannot see how using an alternator (which runs off the engine) to crack water will produce more energy in the end.  Won't the pull of the fuel cell simply increase the load on the alternator and increase the load on the engine?  Or is there something else going on? 

Thank you,

I do not think anyone has claimed overunity here.  The claim is that it is an efficient way to use water as fuel.

[Spewing]

yes you can get overunity with a fuel cell, normal electrolysis and the joe cell doesn't mix. electrolysis you make hydrogen, with the joe cell, it does not use hydrogen. i think joe is on crack and smokes alot of pot because it want work if you don't play the right music to it, and it will work if you remove it from the car, this is no lie.

the Fuel cell hooked to coils will produce overunity under the right frequency of the coil because the back emf is directed to the cell with a crowbar diode as mewilson2 calls it. the cell then produces hydrogen and a charge and returns something unseen back to the coils, it's like the coils and cell is working together and overunity can and will be measured under the right setups as i have showed on my site removed

the best cell setups is tubes, it is much like 2 plates of SS but the tubes are round and more efficient, and so much easier to get a gap.  the plate cell has not been proved to overproduce the tube, and the tube has not been proved to outproduce the plates.

on my site i show how you can get overunity from chokes, this proves it can be done with a very small circuit and small chokes, but this was just a point made! now that the test promises overunity a better understanding is met.

now it has been found that 25 volts or over with the use of only 1 amp will produce more hydrogen than you know what to do with without any electrolyte or additive to the water. you go up to 2 amps and you are now doubling the output you was getting before, however, the right Clipped sine wave with ripples is needed to run from 25 volts, such as the wave that the alternator produces, but with another wave atop of that.