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What exactly is the problem with these devices?

Started by Roen Hayden, November 30, 2007, 11:43:42 AM

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hansvonlieven

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November 30, 2007, 11:48:21 PM
His name is John Ernst Worrel Keely

Details and short biography on http://keelytech.com

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

Roen Hayden

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November 30, 2007, 11:57:36 PM
Quote from: hansvonlieven on November 30, 2007, 11:48:21 PM
His name is John Ernst Worrel Keely

Details and short biography on http://keelytech.com

Hans von Lieven

Ok thanks ill look him up.

Mr.Entropy

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December 01, 2007, 12:19:40 AM
Quote from: Roen Hayden on November 30, 2007, 12:52:38 PM
I see that for looking into OU as a whole, but I wanted to know what the major problem with these devices is. Is it the way one arranges the magnets?  And I have also seen were they just slow down and stop what causes this exactly?

Ah, but that's the wrong question.  You should be asking why people think these motors should work.  They don't generally have good reasons -- they just want them to work, and then fool themselves by desiging systems of sufficient complexity so that they, themselves, can't see that it doesn't work.  For some this is easy, for others it's more difficult.

When you know enough physics to understand that the laws of motion for permanent magents can be derived from the law of conservation of energy, then there won't be any PMM systems that can fool you in this way.  You will understand that finding a way to make a PMM work implies finding new physical laws, and you can't do that by imagining arrangements of magnets and/or doing math.

Only by experiment can you show where current physical laws diverge from reality.  If PMMs can work, then there is likely to be a simple experiment first (not a motor) that shows how the current laws are wrong.  Then there will be experiments to make new mathematical models of the physics involved.   Then these models will be used to design a motor that works.

Kedron corp and Steorn have shown by their statements that they know this, even though they have failed to demonstrate any spinning devices, and they both claim to have developed those new physical laws.  If working PMM technology is going to come from anywhere, I think it'll come from one of them.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy

Paul-R

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December 01, 2007, 10:07:14 AM
Quote from: hansvonlieven on November 30, 2007, 01:24:38 PM
Keely said once in his writings (about 120 years ago) "No arrangement of magnets can ever be so graduated as to induce rotation"
Werner Heisenberg disagreed. He said that magnets could be a source of energy.
Paul.
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