joe cell

[Super God]

Hi,
I've always wondered where the line was between the bullshit and the facts about this neat device.  Thank you for shedding some light on it!

[raburgeson]

I ended up away from the bench a while. Everyone in the family seemed to be ending up in the hospital. 2 were sent to Pittsburgh, long drive, I'll get back on it now. I haven't tried pulsing the cell yet and I do have to have the third cylinder turned down. It's running unbalanced and the second (from the center) ring seems to be doing most of the production. I have to drive a ways to get clean spring water. Most of the water is pretty crappy here. I have a suspicion that the water in my area is not from springs and instead from artesion wells. Seem to be far to high in iron, I think that's whats wrong with it. But, now I'm guessing so ignore that, the water nearby does not work well, I get a lot of scum off of it.

As reported in many videos PVC pipe releases crap. I'm going to try painting PVC pipe with epoxy. Trying to find cheap easily available materials. The tap water here has fluoride and chloride in it and I choose not to use it. The test tank I'm using now is a bit to short, I only have two inches of water over the top of the cylinders. Present test tank is a heavy stainless wine serving ice bucket thing, it's good for giving room for observation but not good for a sealed lid. for that I need heavier material.

[raburgeson]

I made a mistake trying city tap water. By video you pour the scum off a couple of times adding a bit each time and end up with charged purified water. Works that way too if you get water from a spring 66 miles from here. I put Erie water in it and it would not clear. Every time you added a little more you just get a new layer of scum. I have to clean the whole thing back up again and start over. This is just the initial 2 amp run. Notice even with water problems I get hydrogen production. The bubbles are blurred because it told me 50 Kbytes max, you can still make them out if you squint, ignore the brown crap on top, you know what that is.

You will see a lot of confusion on the net on how to get the cell generating. This has worked for me every time to start the cell generating. I just hit it with 50 amps for 15 to 30 seconds with a battery charger. I set it down on 2 amps after I see a few bubbles rise. At 15 amps I get get it to run  with no built up coating although I imagine the coating provides extra resistance. I've been trying so many different things. Today I'm trying spring water bottled by Mayer Bros. in West Seneca, NY.

Don't worry I don't drink that stuff.

I read a story somewhere about monoatomic hydrogen and will do my best to recreate it for those that never seen it. The mans name was Boyce and he was racing boats somewhere using hydrogen for fuel. He was draining the batteries completely to race. One day he noticed power surges at curtain speeds. He found out 1 of his diodes was burned out in the alternator. The frequencies were 10.7, 21.?, and (Keely) 42.8 Kcps. If anyone else comes across this please feel free to report the ?. The bias was keeping the hydrogen from rebonding and the ac was doing the cracking. I hope this is new to a lot of you and I'm not wasting your time with it.

The bottled spring water worked well. I charged it up with a minimum of scum forming. I bottled that and am doing a new cleanup. I am going to try to use the information in the story above on it next.

Found it 21.4, here's a link to the article:

file:///D:/Boyce/Bob%20Boyce's%20Electrolyzer%20Plans%20Available%20to%20All.htm

Notice that 21.4 Kcps is the first harmonic and 42.8 Kcps is the third harmonic of 10.7 Kcps. It gives us a mathematic reason to chase this as a true disclosure. The site to me seemed to be a circle jerk and I did not glean any more information from it. It could be spyware on my computer causing this problem. If someone else can navigate other information please do bring it to the forum somewhere, I will eventually read it, I try to read everything in here. Gets me in trouble too, then I want to work on everything at once and post enough that people get tired of me.

[raburgeson]

Taking her down again, a really good clean up takes time. I'm taking off the white coating, something you want on the cell when you are running it, Not desirable for experimenting from scratch each time, I've cleaned some off already. As you can see I haven't touched the center cylinder yet at all. I don't see why they were concerned about the surface peeling, the stuff is really hard to remove even on purpose. This is a 36 hour build up. In the post above, yes the big blue things are bubbles being produced. What the picture doesn't show is the billions of tiny white bubbles. the white areas in the picture around the bottom is simply a foam of them so thick you can't see through them.

Well I will sit here mindlessly brass brushing it and try to figure out what you guys are getting up to today. The bracket that holds the bolt at the bottom is just 304l stainless strap an 1/8 inch thick bent in a triangle with 2 tabs bent over at the base where the bolt goes. Drove it in there hard with a three pound hammer 2 1/4 inches. It's in tight believe me, then I had to realign the insulators after driving it in. Tapped them back into place using a gun cleaning rod for a punch and a smaller hammer.  After a wailing like that they moved a lot.

I'm ready to get serious and build a vessel to apply a vacuum to the cell. I haven't made up my mind what material I'm going to use yet. I think I'll go against the grain of the videos and use a tough plastic.

[oouthere]

  Hi Rab,

  You are walking a tough road building this one.  This is the group I started years back and the homepage is one of my cells that I finally gave away:  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/joecellfreeenergydevice/

  You already realize a lot of money and time gets dumped into this "simple" device.  I originally purchased a lathe just to polish mine.....hours and hours of polishing even with a lathe.  I did manage stage three several times but it never would operate a motor or effect a motor.  I finally realized that some of the people claiming to run an engine on the Joe Cell were only running them for less than a minute and that was after removing the fuel line....probably just burning residule fuel.  There were some I feel were sucessful, but very few.  I eventually built another out of aluminum since the material was so much easier to machine but of course that did not work either.

  But anyway, the best of luck to you.

  Rich