joe cell

[raburgeson]

So simple an low tech everyone should have one. Well I gave my last one away and need to make more. Have you watched all the videos? I would like to bring up some stuff.

First one video recommends you use a insulation that does not conduct static electricity. That was a good recommendation. Another was to rough up the surface to get more output. A castlated bottom the provide more edge surface. 2 neutral plates to cut the amperage needed in half (verses 1 neutral plate).

One video shows running the cell disconnected down to 1 volt and the experimenter said if you leave the car battery hooked to the unit in a short period of time the cell would drain the battery. However if after the cell is energized a 1 1/2 volt battery can be hooked up to it and the battery would not discharge and the cell would continue to operate. (This I haven't tried yet but I will) I have to build some new ones.)

Stainless is necessary if the cell is to be used as a water purifier. 316 stainless is recommended. It is also recommended that you heat treat the stainless to remove all magnetism. MY first question is will a degausser work just as well for this purpose?  Aluminum will work in a joe cell. My first new joe cell I make will be to see how cheap I can make a good one. I am going to clamp a old piece of pipe onto a table for an anvil. Cheap pop comes with nice thick aluminum cans. I am going to take a set of sheet shears, a hammer, and a rivet punch and build the cylinders. This should explain the anvil.

They all show you running a car, I think this is a useful fuel, it must be mixed with air to use it and a vacuum must be placed on the cell for operation. I am going to attempt to provide both requirements by using a simple squirrel cage. Sealing the cage with a plate that has a fuel port and a air valve on it should do the trick. My goal here is to light a burner for home heating and try to make a gas lamp perform correctly. If I can get the air fuel mixture right I should have no problems.

I think it is worth the time, the joe cell is impervious to electro-magnetic pulse, low tech and easy to build, and voltage requirements are low. Certainly we can do more than just make the gas pop with a match.

[Farrah Day]

Hi Rab

Everything I've seen an read about the Joe cell indicates that it does not use hydrogen to fuel a car engine. In fact it can't as the gas output from this device is incredibly low, so it must use another form of energy, hence the fact that the timing needs to be set 180 degrees out.

Again, from what I've read, the gases are just a by-product with this technology.  There are even those that say no direct connection to the engine is needed.  Most of this I'm very skeptical of given the possibly highly unreliable nature of the information sources, but it has triggered my curiosity.

I have a small test cell I'm using while experimenting with the 'Meyer-type' wfc, which probably actually resembles a 'Joe cell' more than a 'Meyer cell', in that I'm employing floating plates.

My main goal at present is to get a 'Meyer cell' up and running to maximum efficiency, but if you're going to be experimenting with a 'Joe cell', I for one will be monitoring your results with interest.

Good luck.

[raburgeson]

Pop cans are a very bad idea because they are to sharp. Engine timing around 70 degrees BTDC. The cell doesn't produce hydrogen correct. H3 and HOH and it's highly explosive and corrosive. Commercial torches have been used to burn the fuel. This does not mean the fuel was put to a practical industrial use. The fuel is far too corrosive for welding. I'm surprised aluminum pistons can stand up too it.

Production of an open flame for other uses though. Our electric is out a lot here the power loop goes down and we have locally lost power twice in the last couple of months. be nice if we had light and heat during these times. Last storm in the Midwest put 600,000 people without power. This can still be viewed by a news search. Stainless can be heated by a soft flame from this output, it doesn't react to Hydrogen, oxygen, or water. A hot metal plate can provide heat. A stainless sock on a gas lamp? No one has tried to put this unit to work. It has to be hooked to the engine, every video shows a vacuum is required for gas production. The couple bubbles they light running without a vacuum is just that, a worthless couple of bubbles.       
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0T7Oph_RYg
        This guy spends a lot of time and starts his car many times to show you the cell produces when a vacuum is present. You can see the production through the glass container. There is a lot of stupid stuff to watch too, I'm not sure were the video of the dowsing stainless steel fits in??? Also I have seen quite a bit of foolish claims, there are some good videos though watch them all and throw out the bad ones. There is no mysterious force connected to the cell and no spiritual power or any of that crap. It's just stainless pipe and Low voltage DC. One guy disconnected the battery and continued running his engine until the volt meter showed only 1 volt potential left in the cell. There is a simple explanation for that and it doesn't involve demons or inter dimensional power. Once a path is ionized it could take an incredibly small amount of current to sustain the chemical reaction. That's what they are talking about when they say they can unhook the battery. The cell does go flat though and the cell has to be hooked to the intake because it needs vacuum to produce. If a 1 and 1/2 volt cell holds the potential without discharging the battery as they claim (without noticable discharge) then it becomes a cheap form of energy, even if it's a bit impractical. It is entirely impossible for the small battery to support the potential with no current flow what so ever. Bet if this claim is any good a medical ammeter  will at least show nano-amperes for current.

I tested the first claims listed in the first post, they are valid. 2 neutral plates cut amperage in half, find a good insulation, and 316 stainless annealed to remove magnetism all worked. that's as far as I have gotten so far. I got my stainless by buying trim ends off of conduit from an electrical contractor 2 blocks from here. Hope he has some more now.

[Farrah Day]

Hi Rab,

I'm not sure you realise the implications of what you said in the post above. Where did you get the H3 and HOH from?

What do you mean by HOH... just water??

H3, otherwise know as Tritium is a radioactive isotope of hydrogen produced in nuclear reactors, and so not exactly the kind of thing you will get from a 12 volt Joe Cell. A geiger counter would come in handy if you really suspect a Joe Cell produces Tritium, not only to confirm this, but also for health reasons.

What is your source of info for this statement?

Do you have a reaction equation for producing the Tritium? 

[raburgeson]

Not to change the subject but this works, tried it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2czE_HNWl3Q

Video says no one knows why

H3 and HOH aren't the main production but present. H2O normal water, HOH they don't understand it and had to name it something different to designate the difference and if you stole a balloon from your kids you have burnt some by now.

The white surface that appears on the stainless may have some dielectric properties? A reaction is going on in the water. Once the reaction is started, the voltage requirement  drops and needs almost no amperage. I'm trying to get someone who knows why to open their mouths. Why does the cell drain a 12 volt battery and not a 1 and 1/2 volt cell? Why does the water burn?

Use a longer lighter to burst the balloon and don't light it in the wind like I did the first one, you can loose your eyebrows.

H3 is just a trace element found by several groups that have worked on the cell. Does it change the reactance of the water? These are questions the scientist haven't answered either.

Brings a question to mind about the Meyers spark plug replacement though and I have to go study the videos. Is there a visible connection to the rubber line leading to the laser chamber? Could that water entering the chamber already be flammable? There is something sneaky about his water fuel injection system that was undisclosed. The trouble is he could hide a lot in the control box and you could watch forever and not catch sight of it. what did the lasers do? Light the mixture or atomize it. Well off to his videos.