"Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?

one · March 19, 2008, 09:47:00 AM

Quote from: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 01:59:43 AM
one, no, but a vibration had to have started it.

As far as the universe being all energy, I cant agree or disagree but as long as there are vibrations, there is energy and if there isn't vibrations, then there can not be energy.

Energy being a vibration makes a whole lot more sense then it being electrons.

Personaly I don't see it as simple as an electron being a vibration ..........what holds the vibration together ?

What makes it move through some solids easier than others?

Why does electricity move through copper much easier than through air ?

I got into this conversation when you said

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A movement can not be made with out another movement taking place first. The movement can not be made to create more energy then the energy used to move it.

A vibration is a movement . now you seem to be saying that all movement started with a vibration ...... yet .......... you said the movement can not be made to create more energy than the energy used to move it.

If the universe started as a vibration.........and then became all the motion we now have ............it seems to me that there is very little EXCEPT over unity .

If you think about it ....... there is a a very small part of the universe that " educated " people tend to see as static and unmoving.. We happen to exist in that domain. If you look either larger or smaller it seems everyone agrees that everything is moving. ...............how could it be possible that there is less motion at the exact level that "physical life" exists ?

gary

one · March 19, 2008, 09:57:33 AM

Nightlife

Just an observation

If you are going to ask people to stick with what is real and provable , then jump right back into your unprovable theorys as if they are the only truth you are going to get alot of people thinking of hot air or worse.

gary

allcanadian · March 19, 2008, 10:00:42 AM

@nightlife
I would agree with much of what you have said, my point is that many times we state our opinions as fact to be heard and I have made this mistake as well in the past. But opinions are not facts until they are proven in the real world thus opinions should be stated as opinions.

@bulbz

QuoteIf there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?.

I believe that no one has ever seen an electron, they have measured something but have no understanding of "what" this something is. It could just as easily be a standing wave giving the illusion of substance or tangible matter so I think we should keep an open mind.
One thing we do know is that electrons give the appearance of having a negative charge relative to protons considered positive. I had an interesting thought on this the other day, take a bar magnet---it has a north and south pole and directly inbeween these poles is the bloch wall a point of no magnetism. If the electron is negative and the proton positive and the neutron neutral then maybe the neutron has no existance-- it is the "bloch wall" between electrons and protons. If the neutron is possibly just a field boundary condition between charges mistaken as "something" then why not electrons and protons mistaken as matter as well.

one · March 19, 2008, 10:12:36 AM

Quote from: allcanadian on March 19, 2008, 10:00:42 AM
@nightlife
I would agree with much of what you have said, my point is that many times we state our opinions as fact to be heard and I have made this mistake as well in the past. But opinions are not facts until they are proven in the real world thus opinions should be stated as opinions.

Allcanadian

I agree
It seems to me it is a little disrespectful to consistanntly state your opinions as if it is truth. We all have opinions ........... mine opinions are just as important as any other persons opinions.

Another little point
there are quite a few " proven facts " that are really only opinion.
One example is OU. We are taught it is impossible in order to keep the greedy in power.

OU is not easy .......but I can't accept that it is impossable. the entire universe is OU ...........in my opinion

gary

nightlife · March 19, 2008, 10:25:08 AM

Bulbz, "If there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?."

I am sorry but it could also be said to pull on a positive vibration and a negative vibration which would make more sense.

one, "what holds the vibration together ?"

Resistance

"What makes it move through some solids easier than others?"

Resisistance levels of the solids they pass thru.

"Why does electricity move through copper much easier than through air ?"

I am not really sure if that is correct. I think it does move through air easier becuase air has a lot less resistance then copper or any other substance. I think copper just holds it together better.

"A vibration is a movement . now you seem to be saying that all movement started with a vibration ...... yet .......... you said the movement can not be made to create more energy than the energy used to move it.

If the universe started as a vibration.........and then became all the motion we now have ............it seems to me that there is very little EXCEPT over unity .

If you think about it ....... there is a a very small part of the universe that " educated " people tend to see as static and unmoving.. We happen to exist in that domain. If you look either larger or smaller it seems everyone agrees that everything is moving. ...............how could it be possible that there is less motion at the exact level that "physical life" exists ?"

I do not have all the answers but I feel that answers should be based within the realm common sense. Common sense tell us that something can not move unless something moved it. Then you have to use common sense when trying to create something from nothing. It cant be done. You can not create something from nothing. You can not get more then what you use. It may seam like it but you have to consider what is not seen that had to be added to make it look like you got more then you started with.