Bring Electicity from H2O

[Kysmett]

IF you could break it down(and I've never tried it) through electrolysis, the carbon as a solid would sink to the bottom, while the H2 and the O2 rise to the top to be collected arround the cathode and the anode.  You would have a hard time harvesting the carbon, and in any case, would not make it to the combustion chamber(I am an ex gas turbine technician, so I tend to speak in those terms, but the combustion chamber in a piston engine is the cylinder)  If you could get the H2 and O2 separated, then yes you get a lot more H2 than with just water.  The question becomes the cost of getting the acetone( and the energy lost in processing it) and the difference between that and the cost of water.  You would need a lot of it as well.

If, on the other hand you used it as an accelerant, increasing the ratio of air to fuel and still acheiving combustion, then it might be worth it in small ammounts to decrease the necessary H2 and O2 requirements.

[h2o2go]

All
Are you ready for this one ??
I have been experimenting along similar lines of thinking as Ron, but approaching from the opposite direction.? In stead of acetone to catalize (?) the H2 combustion, I am trying to atomize Biodiesel, or maybe just Diesel fuel external from the engine, then add H2 in some proportion, to support the combustion.? This would allow high flash point fuels to be burned in a low compression engine.
Cheaper and easier to get than Acetone ??
My thoughts !

Dave

[cmichaelcouch]

Ron and Dave:

Have you guys check out the complete plans that are posted on theverylastpageoftheinternet.com?

I have a set of these plans and they seem very detailed.  There is another place where they are posted in a form that is easier to print but I can't remember where, maybe rexresearch.com?

Anyway, I haven't heard of anyone lately (or ever for that matter) attempting to replicate this exactly and it is supposed to work on any V8 car.

Michael Couch

[rlm555339]

If you are referring to the Spirit of Ma'at (#9) on www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com
I have my serious doubts this person ever actually tried it.

1.  He speaks of pulses using a 555 driving a IRF510 mosfet.  That mosfet has a 5.6 amp continuous drain current up to a max pulsed current of 20 amps @ 300 ?s cycles.  That's not even close to being "in the ball park" when it comes to amperages concerning electrolysis of any significance.  An IRG4p254S IGBT or a IRFPS3810 mosfet would even be challenged to do the duty required in this scenario.  Probably would have to go to a SOT-227 class of FET.

2.  He speaks of "when the pressure builds up to 30-60 pounds"................that in and of itself is pretty scarey if he's talking about brown's gas mix.  Depending on how big his reservoir is, he'll use that up pretty quickly with 8 cylinders.  My little one cylinder lawn mower motor sucks 11.304 cu in. a minute through it. ?  times 8?  wow!  and those pistons are twice as big around with a longer stoke so.........again with WOW!  That's a lot of cubic inches, my friend.  You can only dilute 2H2/O2 so much with fresh air or it's not going to explode so I wonder how much of that has to be actual electrolyzed gas?

I haven't tried this particular schema but in my short attempts with electrolysis, I have not found that frequency does any better job than straight DC for electrolysis.  If there is someone who can verify that frequency works more efficiently, and that this Spirit of Ma'at is the real deal, I'll build one tomorrow.  I need all the help I can get with fuel production.  So far with my project, I am drawing right at 40+ amps @ 24 vdc and I can only make around 1 liter a minute which just isn't even enough for my little lawnmower motor.

[TechStuf]

I gotta say.....I LIKE the synergy here!

Fracturing h20 at or near the cylinder certainly seems promising.


Peace,

TS