SMOT TEST- can someone do this?

[nwman]

Just a brief topic. Below is a graphic that represents a test to find if a SMOT actually works. I am willing to build this however if someone already has the parts to build it I don't want to buy the stuff myself unless I have too. So you would have both a level start and ending surface to rule out any potential energy being released from gravity. The ball would have to be pushed into the the start of the smot with little force or the smot would have to be slid to the ball. Then the ball must travel up the slight incline and then it can be allowed to drop at the end. However again it must not drop lower then the start position. If it does drop and continues to roll free of the magnetic attraction at the end then a SMOT does actually produce energy. I think it will get stuck at the end and not be allowed to get free unless the total incline from one SMOT or more in series is great enough in high to allow the ball to fall far enough down to escape the magnetic field at the end of the rail. Let me know what you all think?

Tim

[Mr.Entropy]

As diagrammed, it's a bit unfair to expect the ball to escape, because the ball is attracted to the SMOT entrance, and this attraction could help to close a loop of SMOTs.

So, to be fair, you should start by releasing the ball when it is far enough away from the entrance that the SMOT rail can barely pull it forward on the level surface.  It will then enter the SMOT with some additional kinetic energy.  If the SMOT is overunity, this additional energy will be enough to help it escape at the exit.

You will also have to put some effort into giving the ball a better landing at the end, so that it doesn't waste any energy banging against your table.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy

[nwman]

I agree that the ball should be set just at the outermost edge of the start. Just enough to pull it in. Even a little too far and then pushed in with a tooth pick or something into the attraction zone.

Also, sorry about the landing area int he graphic. I obviously didn't spend too much time but again I agree a nice curved slope would make the best landing to convert the downward motion to horizontal motion. I still have a feeling the ball might get trapped at the end but I hope not and that's why I am posting this.

Tim

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

First of all let me say I do not think there is any surplus energy to be found in a SMOT. Having said that, I have always wondered why you guys insist on rolling the ball uphill in the device. By doing this you give it the worst conceivable start with no advantage.

Let me explain. By rolling the ball downhill in a SMOT, if there is any extra energy, it will be added as inertia which will bring it higher than the starting point. By adjusting the angle you can get gravity to help overcome the sticky spot.

Test the device I have drawn in diagram form below and this will give you a quantitative as well as a qualitative assessment of its capabilities.

Hans von Lieven

[Mr.Entropy]

Test the device I have drawn in diagram form below and this will give you a quantitative as well as a qualitative assessment of its capabilities.

Hi Hans,

You're absolutely right if the SMOT, according to what we know of physics, fails to work.

Assume for a moment, though, that a SMOT is overunity.  If it is, then we obviously do not know how it works.  Without knowing how it works, we cannot be sure that your device is equivalent to a SMOT from an energy exchange point of view.  It may only work when it's pushing against gravity, or the drop at the end may be a critical part of the process, etc.  We can't dismiss these things if we don't know how it works.

So, in order to determine experimentally whether or not a SMOT is overunity, you have to test an actual SMOT.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy