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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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chalamadad

@konehead: I don't think you can flip the coil. Also flipping as you said would take some time. There is no time there at high frequency. Even if you flipped once you'd be so fast in the repelling region region again and that would mean drag again. And if you say you are getting free strokes it sounds like if you could run the rig with magnets alone. That is most probably not the case. I am not saying your explanation doesn't make sense (it does), but it doesn't fit the design.

I'll stick to the core saturation theory because there is more evidence and it is exactly what Romero showed in his early documentation. You save the drag and get some energy out at the same time. Romero referenced Vladimir Utkin. In his documents Maxwell's equations are accounted for energy gain as well. And that is exactly what the displacement current is about. Current without transport of charge. Bolt calls this logitudinal waves or tensors. This is ambient energy! It happens with the breakdown of the magnetic flux.

@Xeno: A reasonable explanation can help pinning things down to the core (literally!). Too many variables to just try getting lucky. You need to think too. Again Romero's words.  ;)

@Xeno #2: Thanks for the video. More evidence. This is it!

One reason I probably didn't see any speed-up with biasing magnets: My cores are made of several small ferrite magnets stacked up. Do you think I'd need one per coil to get with working better? Or maybe I will try and stack up more up to the basing magnets...

xenomorphlabs

Not sure about magnets as a core. I think you need at least the core to be somewhat magnetisable as in using soft ferrite there and stick a 2x1cm N38/N42 Neo on top of the coil for a start.
But maybe you find something unusual with magnets as cores.

Would it be possible for you to reference the displacement current in relation to core saturation? I wanna try to learn more about that.

chalamadad

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on July 20, 2011, 03:25:26 PM
Not sure about magnets as a core. I think you need at least the core to be somewhat magnetisable as in using soft ferrite there and stick a 2x1cm N38/N42 Neo on top of the coil for a start.
But maybe you find something unusual with magnets as cores.

Would it be possible for you to reference the displacement current in relation to core saturation? I wanna try to learn more about that.

Hmm, that makes sense. Nothing really unusual with the magneto cores. Have to do more research about where I can get soft ferrite cores. I am glad I am having new options now as I thought I had tested it all and began to get desperate.  ;) But rawbushs results are tremendous.

Go to wikipedia as a start. The German page has a different text. It states (I copied that over to google translator quickly, but you get the idea):

"Maxwell displacement current is now defined as a change of the electric flux through the given surface. The displacement current is therefore no current where charge is transported. Rather it is a vivid description of just this change of electric flux, since they apparently have the same effect as a real power."


Edit: This is funny too. It is one the same page. How often have we been told that specific effects (which are too complicated or unresolved) can be neglected?

"In the general case, the two material constants of the electrical conductivity and dielectric tensors second Level and also describe non-linear, non-isotropic dependencies of the total electric current of the electric field strength. This fact can be neglected for a basic understanding first and simplifies these two scalars are considered as constants that describe the particular medium of propagation of the respective current component."


Basically you have  I = Ic + Id which means I is consisting of two parts: real current or conducting current Ic which is flow of electrons and Id which is displacement current which is CHANGE of electrical flux. It is to understand as part of the electrical field expressing it's change rate. And there you have it.

chalamadad

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on July 20, 2011, 02:29:07 PM
It looks like people will have to take a look at the Hysteresis curve dynamically.

If y'all (and I) just had equipment like Naudin's available... ;-)

xenomorphlabs

Quote from: chalamadad on July 20, 2011, 03:52:28 PM
Edit: This is funny too. It is one the same page. How often have we been told that specific effects (which are too complicated or unresolved) can be neglected?

"In the general case, the two material constants of the electrical conductivity and dielectric tensors second Level and also describe non-linear, non-isotropic dependencies of the total electric current of the electric field strength. This fact can be neglected for a basic understanding first and simplifies these two scalars are considered as constants that describe the particular medium of propagation of the respective current component."


Basically you have  I = Ic + Id which means I is consisting of two parts: real current or conducting current Ic which is flow of electrons and Id which is displacement current which is CHANGE of electrical flux. It is to understand as part of the electrical field expressing it's change rate. And there you have it.

I think it is normally considered to be neglected, because Id's value is very very low (under "normal" conditions that is)

As described here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htcTz-oFaqw&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aLGkCp086s&feature=relmfu