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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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LtBolo

@Bolt

Do you or anybody else here have a sense of what the simple description of the actual OU operation is? RomeroUK's system doesn't appear to be resonant, so this apparently isn't a standing wave phenomenon. It appears that the mechanical input is about half of what the electrical output is. So the RV motor doesn't have to be OU in itself, just very efficient to drive the Muller configuration. But what in the Muller configuration is OU exactly?

The question is significant in that if we can understand where the conventional math is not correctly modeling reality, we can predictably design these things, rather than experimenting blindly. That will be required to scale this up to useful levels.

bolt

Quote from: LtBolo on May 09, 2011, 08:57:16 PM
@Bolt

Do you or anybody else here have a sense of what the simple description of the actual OU operation is? RomeroUK's system doesn't appear to be resonant, so this apparently isn't a standing wave phenomenon. It appears that the mechanical input is about half of what the electrical output is. So the RV motor doesn't have to be OU in itself, just very efficient to drive the Muller configuration. But what in the Muller configuration is OU exactly?

The question is significant in that if we can understand where the conventional math is not correctly modeling reality, we can predictably design these things, rather than experimenting blindly. That will be required to scale this up to useful levels.

Yes and the system is resonate but its not obvious at first.  The pulse motor drive section is only a means to push the rotor around that is all. No OU here just any efficient drive will work. Ask Romero to push around by hand it will start generating immediately even without the pulse coils running. This is why RV will drive this and no im not guessing this has been done for YEARS not just so much in public.

The 1.5 coils to magnet ratio just allows for anti clogging again there is no OU in this part either as wind-power people have known for years to build with odd number coils to prevent clogging.  But it helps as all the coils and magnets act as a collective event on the rotor. The OU all happens within the cores.  They are inductors which cause the current to lag in two pulse directions with zero point in the centre.  There is a moment where all the coils are sequential setting up momentary standing waves between the inductor coils L and the dump cap C. When the current is a max within the coil the voltage is zero at the dump cap. However the core itself undergoes transformation as it is biased into the non linear region due to the back end re-gauging magnets. This is the moment where when the voltage is zero the core becomes magnetoconstrictive and reverses entropy. The capacitor sees a real Joule Charge at this moment.

However this power can not be taken back to the source directly as it has not been powered factor corrected. This is the job of the DC converter is correcting the PF.  Without this is can not loop. The backend re-gauging  magnets and tuning to a specific load is critical. There is a sweet spot to tune for each load to correct the core B H bias. This is something magnacoaster see years ago but i doubt he found it for himself someone must have clued him up. This is why magnacoaster uses like 5 neo on one end and 1 the other to give a slightly different method as everything is stationary.  So you must use Asymmetric Bloch Wall Modulation to pulse the coil while the core is in the non linear region AND must be balanced offset over the Bloch wall.

So how does this help construction? Well understanding where the OU comes into play this is still RLC =OU where the inductor should "APPEAR" to be as large as possible using very high density permeability materials like metglass cores etc. You want the largest mHenries in the smallest area without resorting to thousands of turns of wire.

The coil winding should be as low ohms as possible as this increase the Q and allows more current to flow so practically bigger is better. Its important NOT to oversaturate the cores or you leave the non linear region of the BH curve you are no longer in OZ.:) The signal will fall into phase which creates watts = heat death. So don’t use 2 inch neos on a 1/4 inch cores!


hhobrian


plengo


powerunlimited

@Romerouk,your build is unusual,don't take this in a wrong way,the big cap could hide a battery or a series of batteries could you replace this with much smaller capacitors in parallel to eliminate this possibility and make another video.This issue will
come up if it hasn't already,thanks