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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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e2matrix

Quote from: Thaelin on June 26, 2011, 10:41:48 AM
   Just for kicks and jollies, how about a parallel and a series cap? The parallel would cause a ringing frequency say 6 times higher than the rotor pulses. The series cap would allow 'that' frequency to pass on to the fwb. Again, have to be calculated for the load present. "Tune under load" was his exact words, right?

thay
I threw that suggestion in probably some hundred pages back per George Wisemann's info.  Sounds like something good to try.

konehead

new hot-air guess is run the backemf/recoil from the motor ocils into some of the gernator coils.
you have to do someothign with those spike - they will blow up swtiches...

note  that Romero seems to be working with only 5 coils as generators, and 2 as motors (on each plate)...so there are two doing nothing on each plate.
I think these are ones with no magnets on backs.
If you fire attractive in the motor coils, look and see the rotor positioning "locked" (held by hand) when the coil would pull one of the rotor magnets to itself....also look at rotor potion when 2nd motor coil would be pulling rotor to itself.

note that in first video Romero is doing something with the backemf/recoil and takes it out with single diode to charge battery
but in self-run 2nd vidoe apparently nothing is being done with it...

The backemf/recoiul is backwrds polarity - why not run it into  the coils that would be PUSHING the rotor magnets instead of attracing like the two mtoor coils would do?
An dso jsut dump bakemf into those coils, "same time" as when motor coil fire?
also the recoil of coils at trun-off is high voltage sudden spike - its only going to do any good put into a capacitor (usually what you do)
BUT how about runnign it all into the generator cils, all of them hooked in series - those that would push rotor in same direction as rotor want to go - so not really all of them....run these backemf-fed coils all in series so you get high impecance and the backemf/recoil wont just snuff out doing nothing like if it went directly into 2ohm coil or something....
anyways I'n going to try this out soon - I have 5 coils each plate in my smaller similar rig to everyone elses
I noticed that 2 coils on each plate would be good backer/recoil "receptors" the third one is sort of way off to do any motor-work..also firing two mtoor coils, one after an other, at different timing, so each mtoor coil will have respectively 2 coils to dump bakcemf into I am figuring.
If you have 9 coils on each plate, there re probably 4 coils that would be nice backemf/spike receptors - those that would push rotor same direction if run bakcwards polarity like bakcemf and recoil are...
this would also explain why Romero gets say 3V from coils "normal" and 15V from coils when looped mode - he is running the recoil spikes, and the backemf into them, and it raises the votlage in the coils up 15 V...backemf is sort of diffent beast than the recoil spike too but that is other subject...
also having that reocil spike and backemf enrgy cirdculating through those genrator coils would proably be cancelling lenz out from overwhelming motor-force typ of thing...
nabye that is what that stupid red wire is too

e2matrix

Quote from: oscar on June 26, 2011, 09:46:51 AM
Calling k4zep and all,
Was fiddling with a posting and there you are, prompting me with your friggin' ;)Right then:

Do as if you would prepare a bifilar generator coil. So, wind 2 parallel wires A and B onto one core. But don't connect them to each other once you are done.
Instead: Connect coil A as a normal gen coil, i.e. connect it to the FWBR and the load.
Now the ends of coil B are still open. Connect them to each other, i.e. shortcircuit coil B (can also wire a cap into that short circuit).

What benefit may be achieved?
Well, the phase-shift (read "delay") of the current in the "loaded" wire A is a certain amount. 'How much delay' depends on the impedance of the load.
The phase-shift of the current in the short-circuited wire B is not the same as in wire A, because they are not connected to the same load - actually there is no load on B at all; B just feeds into the cap, in case you have chosen to wire one into that short circuit.

If the phase shifts of the currents in coils A and B are such, that the current in each coil cancels the magnetic field of the other, then you would be Lenz-free (at a certain RPM).
I think one can use the cap to tune into that situation.??!!
Sounds like this is a very good idea to try.  Any thoughts on a starting value for a cap with this? 

Dave45

Quote from: konehead on June 26, 2011, 01:18:54 PM
new hot-air guess is run the backemf/recoil from the motor ocils into some of the gernator coils.
you have to do someothign with those spike - they will blow up swtiches...

note  that Romero seems to be working with only 5 coils as generators, and 2 as motors (on each plate)...so there are two doing nothing on each plate.
I think these are ones with no magnets on backs.
If you fire attractive in the motor coils, look and see the rotor positioning "locked" (held by hand) when the coil would pull one of the rotor magnets to itself....also look at rotor potion when 2nd motor coil would be pulling rotor to itself.

note that in first video Romero is doing something with the backemf/recoil and takes it out with single diode to charge battery
but in self-run 2nd vidoe apparently nothing is being done with it...

The backemf/recoiul is backwrds polarity - why not run it into  the coils that would be PUSHING the rotor magnets instead of attracing like the two mtoor coils would do?
An dso jsut dump bakemf into those coils, "same time" as when motor coil fire?
also the recoil of coils at trun-off is high voltage sudden spike - its only going to do any good put into a capacitor (usually what you do)
BUT how about runnign it all into the generator cils, all of them hooked in series - those that would push rotor in same direction as rotor want to go - so not really all of them....run these backemf-fed coils all in series so you get high impecance and the backemf/recoil wont just snuff out doing nothing like if it went directly into 2ohm coil or something....
anyways I'n going to try this out soon - I have 5 coils each plate in my smaller similar rig to everyone elses
I noticed that 2 coils on each plate would be good backer/recoil "receptors" the third one is sort of way off to do any motor-work..also firing two mtoor coils, one after an other, at different timing, so each mtoor coil will have respectively 2 coils to dump bakcemf into I am figuring.
If you have 9 coils on each plate, there re probably 4 coils that would be nice backemf/spike receptors - those that would push rotor same direction if run bakcwards polarity like bakcemf and recoil are...
this would also explain why Romero gets say 3V from coils "normal" and 15V from coils when looped mode - he is running the recoil spikes, and the backemf into them, and it raises the votlage in the coils up 15 V...backemf is sort of diffent beast than the recoil spike too but that is other subject...
also having that reocil spike and backemf enrgy cirdculating through those genrator coils would proably be cancelling lenz out from overwhelming motor-force typ of thing...
nabye that is what that stupid red wire is too
Think you hit the nail on the head with this one, will be interested to see your results.
current running in opposite directions through a coil will cancel the magnetic field of that coil

xenomorphlabs

Romerouk hinted to diodes doing magic things in his device.
If 2 windings are connected to each other with a diode in a smart way
using a special winding technique then maybe the Lenz-effect current could be selectively blocked or cancelled out. Just an idea.