Muller Dynamo

[gotoluc]

I did like what he had to say in the vid.  Is this the same as what Bruce is saying?

I really have to watch the vid again. I dont recall multifilar being said in the vid, just large inductance(high voltage coil).

Could it be he is using bifi and just calling it a high voltage coil? Thane speaks of the capacitance in the coil, but not really how it is wired.

I know the theory of why a bifi has more capacitance compared to a normally wound coil.

Anyways, this is interesting as I had posted before that maybe we could just get the rotor going on just gen coils themselves, incase nobody paid attn.  ;]

Think, no lenz in approach of the mag, and a push away on the exit.  This is what Thane says in the vid.

ok, in the post a few pages ago where I had made a miscalculation on what the resistance of the coil would be with all the 7 strands in series. I re-figured and I get 98ohms. Thane quoted a 90ohm coil in the vid. Could it be? or a coinkidink?   ;]   

Man, I hope this plot gets thinner before it gets any thicker.  ;]   

Hmm 98 ohms.  Seems like a high number to get the power we are looking for at near 12v, er 18v, what ever,

But lets say 18v/98ohm=.184Amps  x 18v = 3.3watts  ?
Thats perdy good along with no lenz and a forward push on the rotor to go with it.  But seems far from lighting a 20w bulb plus motor drive coils. Seems I say, seems.  ;]

Now this is just going by the resistance of the wire. But Bruce has his theory which may be correct.

Maybe its just not a SAFE idea to speak of the increased capacitance involved or the word bifilar.  =0   ;]

lets see if its safe,  BIFI  Hey BIFIIIIee.  bifi trifi  fifi  tribi         BIIIFIIII!    bifi      lol 

Got a lil bit of work on the tests tonight, and should be somewhere hopefully good tomorrow.   Im beat.

Mags

Hi Mags,

Thane's coils are a single strand of well over 1000 turns each. He winds them by hand and in a random order (not making the turns tight one next to each other) which give the coil air space. This adds capacitance.

Luc

[e2matrix]

Hey E

I thought about that, but was thinking if it is just one set at a time, that is 3.3 over a period of time, not all together. And with a 20w bulb sucking away continuously, I dunno.  But, I wont dismiss some magic here that calculations dont fit.  I really hope so.  ;]

Ya know, I dont know if you remember Zeropoint321, with the self running no bearing bedini style motor, but it was bifi and his vids with the schematics got shut down, Actually the told him not asked to take them down. but he could still post vids without the shematic.  It was a 4000 turn bifi, reed, 2 diodes, led and a 10uf cap. Spin it and it went. he still has the vid without the schematic up I believe.

later on, we talked for some time, he did some experiments on multifilar coils. he showed a comparison from 2 strands, 3 strands and 4.  The more he had, the further a magnet was pushed away from the coil, all ran from the same source.  he was building a motor gen sorta like what we see here. But then I didnt hear from him for a while.

I had just talked to him recently and he said he had a mild stoke.  Sucks. He is a good guy. Hopefully no one did that TO him because of what he was showing.  =[

Ok  i gottttta git. catch ya tomorrow.

Magfi

I didn't think about the time factor.  Lets see if I can get through some thoughts and calcs on this.  Let's assume a nice round number for RPM like 1234    At that speed if we start with a rotor magnet between coils on 1 revolution we will hit that coil 8 times.  At 1234 RPM that is 9872 pulses.  In one second that is about 164.5 pulses.  We've got 7 coils making power so that's about 1150 pulses per second all feeding into a big capacitor.  I think the pulses will be staggered in a way that it's not going to show up like that on a scope but just by a guess I think it's going to be filling that cap fairly fast.  Now as to how many joules each pulse produces and some other things that factor in to ultimately determine how much power it puts out I'm not going to attempt that for the reasons shown in the calculations below.

[Magluvin]

Hi Mags,

Thane's coils are a single strand of well over 1000 turns each. He winds them by hand and in a random order (not making the turns tight one next to each other) which give the coil air space. This adds capacitance.

Luc

hey Luc

Thanks for the info.  Sounds strange though, but i accept your statement.    Is this his idea, or does it originate elsewhere? 
The strange part is how to get consistency from coil to coil.   And I would thing closer proximity would increase capacitance. But I can see that the difference is that each wind is not always beside the previous  wind along the way.  ;]

thanks again.

Ok, was just checkin in one last time.  me sleeps.

Mags

[bolt]

I did like what he had to say in the vid.  Is this the same as what Bruce is saying?

I really have to watch the vid again. I dont recall multifilar being said in the vid, just large inductance(high voltage coil).

Could it be he is using bifi and just calling it a high voltage coil? Thane speaks of the capacitance in the coil, but not really how it is wired.

I know the theory of why a bifi has more capacitance compared to a normally wound coil.

Anyways, this is interesting as I had posted before that maybe we could just get the rotor going on just gen coils themselves, incase nobody paid attn.  ;]

Think, no lenz in approach of the mag, and a push away on the exit.  This is what Thane says in the vid.

ok, in the post a few pages ago where I had made a miscalculation on what the resistance of the coil would be with all the 7 strands in series. I re-figured and I get 98ohms. Thane quoted a 90ohm coil in the vid. Could it be? or a coinkidink?   ;]   

Man, I hope this plot gets thinner before it gets any thicker.  ;]   

Hmm 98 ohms.  Seems like a high number to get the power we are looking for at near 12v, er 18v, what ever,

But lets say 18v/98ohm=.184Amps  x 18v = 3.3watts  ?
Thats perdy good along with no lenz and a forward push on the rotor to go with it.  But seems far from lighting a 20w bulb plus motor drive coils. Seems I say, seems.  ;]

Now this is just going by the resistance of the wire. But Bruce has his theory which may be correct.

Maybe its just not a SAFE idea to speak of the increased capacitance involved or the word bifilar.  =0   ;]

lets see if its safe,  BIFI  Hey BIFIIIIee.  bifi trifi  fifi  tribi         BIIIFIIII!    bifi      lol 

Got a lil bit of work on the tests tonight, and should be somewhere hopefully good tomorrow.   Im beat.

Mags

You must get out of the mindset quoting conventional stuff and ohms law. It has no place in a ZPE circuit.  When all the bifilars are stacked up in series sure you get more voltage as each bifilar segment will see a COPY of the same magnetic flux without degradation.  But they are wound out of phase to create high VARS these creates a static Tensor and the JOULES extracted is a function of the electron field energy  extraction from the ambient and NOT a function of the coil resistance. It can only be seen in the dump cap.  I can send 20kw over a hair thin wire just by tuning it to standing wave. Ohms law is dead and so is Lenz. Lamps Light underwater, human chain can light lamps in their hands.   People can touch "live wires".

Bifilar coils create out of phase condition its the same as cap  tuning to create a standing wave.  Dump cap fills near INSTANTLY when hit by longitudinal waves into the coil there is a lot of power here when done correctly as Romero said he had to be very careful looping under these conditions as it would accelerate unbelievably fast and blow things!   This electricity has rather different qualities its more "RF" travels faster than the speed of light. Same thing that comes out of the TPU and Kapandze and hundred other devices.

[Magluvin]

Hey E

Ive been wanting to see what the output after the fwbr's connected, no cap, just to see how flat the dc was without the cap. There is overlap with coils generating, so 3.3 might be conservative as a whole.  ;]

And the coils just might be putting out more than we are contemplating. Romero said he got the coils to a point of burning or melting. So he was pushing then to a limit without the dc-dc and looped. 

this is all great stuff.  Im gunna get lil sleep but i will be wide awake allll day because of all this.  ;]

See ya tomorrow.

mags