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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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mondrasek

Quote from: chalamadad on July 11, 2011, 01:50:30 PM
Sorry, I don't have no inductance meter available yet.

That's too bad.  Without knowing the inductance I don't think we can conclude that the bi-fi gives a greater output in general.  Good that it does in your case.  But a difference in inductace can be what is leading to the voltage increase and not the fact that they are bi-fi.

I found that my inductance varied quite a bit depending on the "quality" of the ferrites.  And so I inserted them to the proper location to make the inductance all the same in order to try and isolate variables.  Unfortunately that resulted in the ferrite projecting at slightly different distances out the side of the coils facing the rotors.  Due to the variation in attraction of the rotor mags to the ferrite now at slightly different distances that this inductance matching caused, that ferrite to rotor mag "cogging" vecomes a variable.  But with the slight differences in rotor magnet strength and positioning I think it almost impossible to eliminate all of that cogging and just understand a variable is there.

Last time I needed to purchase a DMM I made sure to get one with L/C measuring capability.  I highly recommend that if anyone is looking for another meter.

M.

chalamadad

Quote from: Magluvin on July 11, 2011, 01:33:26 PM
Hey Chal

Yeah, try it..  And if your concerns on timing are an issue, then shorten the timing.  ;]  less in that way, but the same rpm.  ;]

It could be that the wee mags are for short pulse as it gives a desired input.

The other driver coils?  Romero may be doing something else there. ???

I personally would run the rotor on each coil set alone to see what the difference is.  Should they(the 2 driver sets)both be timed from the perimeter of the rotor? OR, is he shorting the other coil set?  ;)

Running each alone to see how the drive the rotor may be key to finding this out. If the other coil set(the hall triggered by the larger mags) does not drive the rotor as well, or maybe better, what can we think about this? Should we time them both from the perimeter, or from the larger mags..   

See where im going with this?  ;]  Something is not quite right about what we are told, I believe.   Maybe Im wrong. So why the difference in drive conditions?

If your motor setup is like Romeros, as in where the halls are triggered and such, then it is an easy test to try. ;]


Mags

I tried parallelling a diode directly in front of the driving coil pair but no effect. Can you make a drawing if this was wrong?

My theory is that you need both driving coils at the same time and the biasing magnets adjusted with that. Maybe that generates a form of acceleration wave which can help to sustain itself if adjusted properly. It seems to me Romeros rig was running rather slow when selfrunning.

Tuning the halls is a must. But I don't know what for. For speed? For torque? Adjusting each driver coil alone and see what the combined effect is cannot hurt though. In the end you want to keep the draw minimum.

It is rather difficult to make the pulse smaller without additional magnets. Is there an easy way to shield the hall sensors angle? Distance works within a limited range and has noticable effect.

I would like to stick to the original concept first. If we can trust this (really don't wanna start that discussion again, keep the critics out, they are not helpful, and the rebuilding is big fun even if it's never looping) the initial info from Romero is most important since we don't know what happened after he said it's a fake.

chalamadad

Quote from: xenomorphlabs on July 11, 2011, 02:10:52 PM
Did you try to load the coils also behind the rectifier? Like with a resistor or small lamp and measure the current?
I have the feeling that due to the increased capacitance of a Tesla-bifilar coil the relationship between voltage and current is also shifted.
At the least one would have to expect double the DC resistance of the coil due to a doubling in coil length (200->400 turns)
I happen to have the same kind of Litz like you are using and will also do some tests.

The main problem i still see in the current squeezed out of the generator coils.
Romero had 7 pairs of generator coils that had to produce at least the input current of 800mA-1000mA at 15 Volts, for the looping aspect assume 1500 mA.
That would be 214mA per pair or 112mA per individual coil.
I don't recall seeing any (non-telekinetic :D) replicator reaching such current, but i can have easily missed that.

Yep, put a 25 watt bulb in place, without cap in series I got 0.4 Amps output but the rotor slows down dramatically.
With a 4.7µF cap added I got 0.1 Amps without slowing down the rotor (maybe a little, but wasn't noticable w/o speedmeter).

If Romero could add a lightbulb he must have achieved way more, you are right. I'd be glad if I could skip the lightbulb. ;-)

bourne

Quote from: baroutologos on July 11, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
I was staring my Romero replication being short of OU and thinking what i do not do right? (even though romero urged me not replicate his device and wait for others  to come succesful first. No luck so far i guess)

Its is misbuild? Mis tunned? Misfortune?
...

I was watching news broadcast yesterday, and there was a weird video of a little somewhat fat Italian boy that had the peculiarity his body to attract any ferromagnetic material like a magnet... Particularly, the boy stood up somewhat naive, and a physician put spoons metal paltes, forks and anything ferrous to boys body and those stick like a magnet.

The story goes, scientists are unable to formulate a theory so far and the boy will be further examined...
...

This put me in considerable thinking. What if Romero's device is just an ordinary device that materializes something else. What if the rotor, stator etc are just the physical things, the body,  whereas the energy that animates the device does not come from magnets , resonance, Bloch walls but from a far more paranormal cause.

Do not exclude anything..

Hi Baroutologos

I must say I didn't believe you about the boy!!  Thank you Google for making finding things a breeze. Do you think his class mates take advantage of his condition?!?!

Here is a link to the story: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/video/video-boys-body-acts-like-magnet-attracts-metal/article2092148/

are you suggesting RomeroUK is to magnets what green-fingers are to gardening :P

No stone unturned !  :P

So as to give this message a reason for being here.

Here is a link to a short 'virtual pole interaction' video I made last night: http://youtu.be/81OSRjZd-hw

Also included is a picture of my build to date.
There is but one true power in the Universe... that which we call Love. Todays present label and conspicuously absent from our named guardians tool kit.

xenomorphlabs

@bourne:
Good video.
About the virtual south pole. I am using a south-pole sensitive Hall sensor with all North pole out-rotor and it triggers nonetheless, so there seems to be a virtual pole.