Muller Dynamo

[konehead]

sorry if some of my psots dont make sense so  make more sense of last post, imagine a coil in place of the rotor magnet in a romero machine, and the coil is fed the same current and voltage as the two stator coils at each end of it....
if you want the rotor coil to knock itself away at or after TDC, you would have to have the rotor and stoat fields match perfectly - if the fields dont match, then they ATTRACT...
so perhaps in romero rigs, you want the attraction happen naturally as the rotor magnet pulls itself to coil, and so you jusneed to make sure the "induction" (AKA induced genrator coil power created by passign magnet) will be such that it is absolutely perfectly EQUAL on BOTH SIDES of magnet in the power that is induced into the coils byt the rotor magnet...now you will get a push-away when coils also reach their maximum induced power...pretty simple...dont know if this is key or not but sure sounds good...that helper magnet then jsut gives an "additional' push too, but really the way it was explained to me how they work (actually best term is REGAUAGING magnet) is that the magnet aids in the flip-over of polarity of CORE and actually initiates it..

Fasuto - I think almso for sure mystery-spike  you see on scope IS the flip over of the COIL, which is IMDUCED by the flipover of the CORE (whcih happened just before that spike)
It takes a little bit of time for that coil to react to the filp of the core by the regauaing magnet - thats why its out there in the middle of "nowehere" on the scope.
I had somethign similar on my old konehead motors which had coils vs coil power and regaguing magnet postioned next to stator coil a bit "dwonstream" so that the regauging magnet would react to the rotor coil...so the motor pusled siultaneous  N-N coils for power, and the regauging magnet would flip over jsut the rotor's core, and on appraoch there is FREE power stroke of "Srotor-Nstator" in the coils pretty slick trick it is...

IF you do not have the regauging magnet, the core will retain the polarity it was just energized at...and the core will induce this polartiy to the coils...if you flip polarity of core, you will flip polarity of coils but it doesnt happen "instantly" the flipping of the coils via the core flip....

[chalamadad]

I shorted one coil set (series adding) and ran motor to top speed.
768 rpm
added a 3/8 dia neo (same size in rotor) to top coil
955 rpm
added 3/8 neo to bottom coil
1067 rpm

Turned on battery charger to keep battery bank full so i/p was a little higher
shorted coil top speed
910 rpm
added a 1" dia neo and got 1340 rpm
went to add a bottom one and motor stopped. I think the neo was interfearing with the hall switch..lol I will have to try on another set of coils. But I think were on to something here.
Peace
rawbush

@rawbush: Good one. This seems to confirm that the magnets can indeed beat Lenz. Can you also post the unloaded speed? And have you measured the output too?

[xenomorphlabs]

@X,  are you measuring the output of a coil pair after recifying through a FWBR and then into a (VERY LARGE CAPACITY) dump cap?

Those elements are what trigger this system. 

They must be in your circuit or it will not work.

M.

PS. The last few comments were for the benefit of the rest of the audience.  No offence intended toward you, X.  You are obviously doing a great job and I thank you for everything you are adding to our knowledge base.

I don't have a coil pair, it is a single bifilar coil with two output leads.
And scope probes have been placed at any imaginable points.
After all a series cap (before the FWBR) should show a voltage once in resonance when scoped across.
Many capacitances were tried.
The FWBR is shorted on the DC side (as suggested by Bolt)
And Plengo scopes right across the coil pair and sees a significant voltage.

I have the theory that under certain conditions the circuit won't establish standing waves at all even if the conditions are (believed to be) met. The phase shift between currents must maybe be 170 degrees or less or the circuit will be "too lumped". But that can be wrong.

With zero inductance the circuit also isn't at all "reactive", so i don't know where the VARs should come from.

I have best results so far with maximum inductance.

[itsu]

Neptune,

nothing wrong with your RF knowledge as far i can tell.

i agree, a 200mm quarter wavelength (0.8M full wave) is a frequency of 375Mhz.
Even if the 200mm intervals seen are a full wave, this points to 1500Mhz, so in the UHF/SHF range.

No way this can be generated by a slow turning (200 Hz range) rotor.

probably the input (transistor/fet) circuit is  oscillating in that high region and effecting the currentflow through the transistor/fet and coils.

Mondrasek could try to decouple the transistor/fet base/gate in his input circuit with a 100pf capacitor to ground.
Also he could add a 100nf capacitor across his powersuppy leads (+ / -) to get rid of these ghostly fluctuations.


Regards Itsu

[neptune]

Thanks Nul-points and Itsu for helping us out here . Both of you made very useful suggestions . So it is probably parasitic oscillations happening . However , can we be certain that these oscillations are not an essential part of the Muller effect ?