Muller Dynamo

[FreeEnergyInfo]

Here it is guys. Tell me what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHOJpW85pBM

LABAS
mariuscivic !!!

this circuit ist corect ???
MAGNET = ????
COIL = ????
coil turn = ???
coil om  = ???
WIRE = ???  mm

3 , 7 = COIL RUN ?
4 COIL = X
5 COL  = NO CONECTET ?
6 COIL =  VOLTMETER
8 , 1 , 2   OR   8 , 2 , 1  = OUTPUT ?????????
conection circuit  output coil ????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUcU2vaL77Y

THANKS .....
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/muller_dynamo/
LITHUANIA .

[mariuscivic]

LABAS
mariuscivic .

this circuit ist corect
MAGNET = ?
COIL = ?
coil turn =
coil om  =
WIRE =   mm

3 , 7 = COIL RUN ?
4 COIL = X
5 COL  = NO CONECTET ?
6 COIL =  VOLTMETER
8 , 1 , 2   OR   8 , 2 , 1  = OUTPUT
conection circuit  output coil ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUcU2vaL77Y

THANKS .....
http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/muller_dynamo/

Hi

You posted two links to 2 diferent videos.

For the first link (the last video) i found that the capacitor in the driving circuit was doing the all the trick. I removed it and went back to normal. So, false alarm  (i will remove the vid)

The second link is the video just before the last one. That's where you got the picture. There i used  2 coils for driving it and the rest of them were conected in series. In the video i detached only one magnet just to show what happens but the effect is present for all 6 magnets and coils . Also i had cores in the midle of the coils. To get this efect the coils has to be as closer as possible to the magnet rotor, if not,it won't work.

this circuit ist corect

MAGNET = ? stator mag 20mm\5mm     rotor mag 10 mm cube

COIL = ?  ----   sewing bobin
coil turn = ---300
coil om  = ---2 ohm
WIRE =   ---0.4mm

3 , 7 = COIL RUN ? ---yes
4 COIL = X---the tested coil

5 COL  = NO CONECTED                                |
6 COIL =  VOLTMETER                                  | -the coils nr 1,2,4,5,6,8 are gen coils and are conected in series to FWBR
8 , 1 , 2   OR   8 , 2 , 1  = OUTPUT    |
conection circuit  output coil ?                  |

In the end i took off the cores becouse they are much more smaller than the holles in the coil ( the morning after, found all of them attached to the mag  )

[wattsup]

@xenomorphlabs

You are correct about the fact that the coil pairs under each other are not out of phase.
But since Romero's top and bottom coils (at one pair) are wound in different directions and are therefore in opposing bucking configuration, they are out of phase.

Yes they could be wired and turned to make out of phase but not out of what I would call TDC phase. Since a coil pair shares the same TDC point, this is 180 degrees out of phase maximum but always sharing the same TDC. That is just a polarity switch you will get with a lot of cancellation potential because each side increases and decreases at the same time so both sides are pushing and pulling. Not much of an out of phase action there. You can call it dual in phase AC or dual inverted phase AC.

But now put the top in series with 8:9 magnet to coil ratio and your staggered TDC hits will create real out of phase because all are subject to all the TDCs on one side of the rotor, so two sides occurring simultaneously in opposing but not interacting manner, each dealing with their own internal havoc. This is real output off phase action that also acts like a mutual voltage regulator so all you need in one FWBR to output the total DC. That's 6 times less diode losses. This would be dual 7 out of phase AC. This can only apply to wheels with odd coil to magnet ratios.

The other technique to simulate this in a cruder model would be if you offset the top plate versus the bottom plate so that the rotor hits the top first then the bottom at a slight delay. This could apply to all types of dual sided wheels.

The idea to try to avoid simultaneous and equal opposing force production is to limit equal and opposing force cancellation potential which I am sure is happening  and amplifying the drag effect when you start to load the gen coils. But if the load drag can be dispersed within all the coils all the time, so the coil getting hit can load up a coil the is in between hits, and so on, the design itself spells a better RMS AC output.

Right now the Romero design had fwbrs on each coil pair. This would be good if you used one fwbr per coil and not per pair of coils. So you would need 14 fwbrs. But that would generate so much diode losses. But once you start to do small tests to see how a hit gen coil can energize another just hit gen coil to produce a repulsion field somewhere else on the wheel at the same time, then you are producing output, plus generating more repulsion to help the wheel turn.

If the build had 9 rotor magnets and 10 coil pairs, 2 for drives, 8 for gens, the 8 could be wired in series per side 2 x 4 or 4 x 2 permitting to jump over one gen coil per series. I think that is where this will be heading. A form of cascading gen coils per side, paralleled, then paralleled again for a final output.

I any case, all this info is just to know how to better build such a wheel, when I am ready. But if some of these questions and more can be answered at this stage with wheels guys already have, then this whole affair may indeed have some positive to it, regardless of how it came to be. lol

wattsup

Added after GerkOff posted his smart alek remark, like he only does.

@wattsup

You still talk a lot of trash, especially when you vehemently believed RomeraUK lied about his device and he fAKED it. Why are you still preaching as if you understand electronics or magnetics for that matter? Writing long posts does not mean people will be impressed by what you write. It is what you actually know between your ears that counts.
cheers
chrisC

I am posting this here to not take up another post just for the crap you posted a few posts past this one.

You should take a hint and go blow your nose over a lit blow torch. I know you are feeling bad because you have so much crow to eat these days. Just grow up. Also, you are just a joke because I never said such a wheel is impossible to work. I don't take sides, I only want the truth. I just had the painful task of putting Romeros where it belongs, at the same level as anyone else at this point. Painful because I also had to deal with your pile of junk. I have looked at your posts here on this forum and there is nothing there to envy except if you belong to a brainless convent. You are blind to the facts, blind to ideas, blind to any form of thinking on your damn own. You are only a follower and your posts prove you only have an interest to create commotion where commotion is not required  Just because you built a 2 cent wheel, it does not put you on top of the totem pole. Also building it knowing you will be traveling so much just shows how impulsive and brainless you really are. Big man has a wheel. So keep flying all over the world thinking you are something "special" while the real @members talk about what matters.

[mariuscivic]

Hi
another great result
Im using hd magnets  from a server  8 on each side of the rotor 28 cm  dia by 10 mm thickness
and your set up fits on mine
  so can you please post your circuit and what kind of hall switch you used  so i can replicate it also the coil  specs
My rotor just sits there  waiting for this kind of developments
hope you can share  with us

cheers
totoalas

Hi

Using hdd magnets will limit your experiments. They are powerfull but on the same side we have N and S.
This wown't allow you to play with the bias magnets. The driving circuit that i'm using is the same as romero's. The hall switch i used is BS057 but any kind of hall will do

[chrisC]

@xenomorphlabs


Yes they could be wired and turned to make out of phase but not out of what I would call TDC phase. Since a coil pair shares the same TDC point, this is 180 degrees out of phase maximum but always sharing the same TDC. That is just a polarity switch you will get with a lot of cancellation potential because each side increases and decreases at the same time so both sides are pushing and pulling. Not much of an out of phase action there. You can call it dual in phase AC or dual inverted phase AC.

But now put the top in series with 8:9 magnet to coil ratio and your staggered TDC hits will create real out of phase because all are subject to all the TDCs on one side of the rotor, so two sides occurring simultaneously in opposing but not interacting manner, each dealing with their own internal havoc. This is real output off phase action that also acts like a mutual voltage regulator so all you need in one FWBR to output the total DC. That's 6 times less diode losses. This would be dual 7 out of phase AC. This can only apply to wheels with odd coil to magnet ratios.

The other technique to simulate this in a cruder model would be if you offset the top plate versus the bottom plate so that the rotor hits the top first then the bottom at a slight delay. This could apply to all types of dual sided wheels.

The idea to try to avoid simultaneous and equal opposing force production is to limit equal and opposing force cancellation potential which I am sure is happening  and amplifying the drag effect when you start to load the gen coils. But if the load drag can be dispersed within all the coils all the time, so the coil getting hit can load up a coil the is in between hits, and so on, the design itself spells a better RMS AC output.

Right now the Romero design had fwbrs on each coil pair. This would be good if you used one fwbr per coil and not per pair of coils. So you would need 14 fwbrs. But that would generate so much diode losses. But once you start to do small tests to see how a hit gen coil can energize another just hit gen coil to produce a repulsion field somewhere else on the wheel at the same time, then you are producing output, plus generating more repulsion to help the wheel turn.

If the build had 9 rotor magnets and 10 coil pairs, 2 for drives, 8 for gens, the 8 could be wired in series per side 2 x 4 or 4 x 2 permitting to jump over one gen coil per series. I think that is where this will be heading. A form of cascading gen coils per side, paralleled, then paralleled again for a final output.

I any case, all this info is just to know how to better build such a wheel, when I am ready. But if some of these questions and more can be answered at this stage with wheels guys already have, then this whole affair may indeed have some positive to it, regardless of how it came to be. lol

wattsup

@wattsup

You still talk a lot of trash, especially when you vehemently believed RomeraUK lied about his device and he fAKED it. Why are you still preaching as if you understand electronics or magnetics for that matter? Writing long posts does not mean people will be impressed by what you write. It is what you actually know between your ears that counts.

cheers
chrisC