Muller Dynamo

[plengo]

Sometimes I forget how great this forum really is.  This one thread in particular is my best favorite. Great names here, some guys I even known them by talking in the phone, but the best is the innovation, new comers very interested in the project.


I am dying to put my little muller/romero back in to the table shop but I am really stuck with crystal cells research, they are indeed a mind bending exercise.


Guys quick question and some sharing that I hope to bring in light of more learning about electricity and its parts.


In this thread a long time back we were playing with the "delay Lenz" or whatever was the name when our next barriers were our RPMs reducing when extracting energy from the coils.  Than quickly came the idea that it was possible and possible only when extracting the energy from the coils.


Many guys even replicated the effect when under load but then it was all.


Is it all so far or I am missing a lot? (please forgive my absence in this particular thread for a long time).


If I am missing a lot, please forgive me for what my latest thoughts are:




It is indeed true that the size of the magnetic field we can create is not proportional to the amount power input.
Mathematically is correct and normal engineering classes.


Joseph Newman has said it, shown it but never mathematically explained it, only via analogies (good ones).


This one new understand does vindicate the possibility of making this motor really spinning fast has nothing to do with the input power we put in.  Try that speed with an induction motor and that little power that we use here, 12v and few hundreds of mili-amps.


Delay Lenzs does sound like an explanation for this effect under another theory name, although, showing that we do indeed have a delayed Lenz and Lenzsless motor is difficult to believe. Magnetic field disproportional to the input power and therefore one can have a much more effective powerful magnetic field, small coils, moving the rotor very fast.


We have seen this kind of spinning speeds in Bedini's motors, this motor of this thread, and many others (youtube search motors). So certainly evidence we have that agrees with that statement in bold above.




In this video of Eric Dollard ([size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CZQI8xQFvo&NR=1&feature=endscreen[/size]) at around 4:15 will show a discharge of a CAPACITOR after an INDUCTOR producing (what he said) 200 to 1000 amps on the spark.


Can you imagine with that amount of amps, how powerful an induction motor can be? It would certainly not be just 200 horse power motor, it would be much more. The input power of his aparatus were regular house hold electricity, Dollard said it was conventional electricity from power companies. Dollard's also said he was inputting around 150v at 300 mili-amps or less.


I think this video of Dollard does show the possibilities we have when building a Muller/RomeroUK motor utilizing his coils techniques and his understandings which are all publicly available on the net, specially youtube.


The two videos I mention on my previous post, do go in details about this disconnection of Magnetism and input power. Think just for a moment on this formula: w = Li (flux of magnetic field or magnetic field is proportional to current (i) and magnetic induction (L) or inductance of the circuit. No need for voltage - Steinmetz ([size=78%]https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=79W0wXz6_ZEC&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&authuser=0&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA11[/size])[size=78%].[/size]
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Fausto.

[Scorch]

 
Remember what ZFF had said in one of his last Muller videos regarding resonance?
"unlocking Muller motor secrets"-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXZHdiMCKE

To use his words: "Something quite extraordinary happened; it resonated and the voltage spiked!"
And: "once this baby hits 88 miles per hour; you're going to see some serious stuff!"

This video was produced well over a year ago. . .
I had been paying really close attention to what ZFF was doing and was very disappointed when he seemed to just, suddenly, stop working on this after he first appeared to be very enthusiastic about it and was already working on a new & improved version. I waited many months for him to produce another update and still waiting and wondering why?!?

At any rate he does talk about RPM, and resonant frequencies, and I also wonder: What is the possibility there is actually a magnetic vortex being developed by the spinning rotor?
A torus which will draw in extra energy from the surrounding environment. . .
And, also, regarding resonance, this can happen at different RPMs.
There may even be many different frequencies at which a resonance may develop so a high RPM may not be required and RomeroUK appeared to operate his device at a low RPM. . .
It will all depend on the individual build and resonant frequencies of a particular device.

My challenge is that I don't have all the know-how, or even the instruments required to measure inductance of my coils, in order to make an educated guess with regards to what capacitors, diodes, RPM, and frequencies may achieve resonance in my particular device.
Best I can do is trial, and error, which is why I would like to have simple adjusting screws on my controller circuit versus constantly entering numbers by way of keyboard input.
And if somebody can provide the method, and schematics, etc. to implement potentiometer controls, for an arduino controller, this would certianly be appreciated.
I think ZFF had built one but I cannot seem to find where he had demonstrated this in his videos.

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It is indeed true that the size of the magnetic field we can create is not proportional to the amount power input.
Mathematically is correct and normal engineering classes.


Joseph Newman has said it, shown it but never mathematically explained it, only via analogies (good ones).


This one new understand does vindicate the possibility of making this motor really spinning fast has nothing to do with the input power we put in.  Try that speed with an induction motor and that little power that we use here, 12v and few hundreds of mili-amps.

Fausto.

[David70]

 
Remember what ZFF had said in one of his last Muller videos regarding resonance?
"unlocking Muller motor secrets"-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXZHdiMCKE

To use his words: "Something quite extraordinary happened; it resonated and the voltage spiked!"
And: "once this baby hits 88 miles per hour; you're going to see some serious stuff!"

This video was produced well over a year ago. . .
I had been paying really close attention to what ZFF was doing and was very disappointed when he seemed to just, suddenly, stop working on this after he first appeared to be very enthusiastic about it and was already working on a new & improved version. I waited many months for him to produce another update and still waiting and wondering why?!?

At any rate he does talk about RPM, and resonant frequencies, and I also wonder: What is the possibility there is actually a magnetic vortex being developed by the spinning rotor?
A torus which will draw in extra energy from the surrounding environment. . .
And, also, regarding resonance, this can happen at different RPMs.
There may even be many different frequencies at which a resonance may develop so a high RPM may not be required and RomeroUK appeared to operate his device at a low RPM. . .
It will all depend on the individual build and resonant frequencies of a particular device.

My challenge is that I don't have all the know-how, or even the instruments required to measure inductance of my coils, in order to make an educated guess with regards to what capacitors, diodes, RPM, and frequencies may achieve resonance in my particular device.
Best I can do is trial, and error, which is why I would like to have simple adjusting screws on my controller circuit versus constantly entering numbers by way of keyboard input.
And if somebody can provide the method, and schematics, etc. to implement potentiometer controls, for an arduino controller, this would certianly be appreciated.
I think ZFF had built one but I cannot seem to find where he had demonstrated this in his videos.

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http://alt-nrg.org/Muller.html

[Lakes]

I was also disappointed that ZFF stop working on this, but hey, its his time and money he`s spending and maybe he decided he was flogging a dead horse?

[Scorch]

Its all speculation at this point.
There has been no new updates, at his site, regarding this project.
And his video at: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYXv9vAPK5Q
Says:
"Download the new sketch at http://alt-nrg.org/Muller.html .
There's a bug with analog adjustment inputs with v1.2b.
Please do not use analog inputs until a fix is released in v1.2c. Thanks."

Still waiting for v1.2c, and other details for analog, or I am just not finding it at his site for some reason.

The story appears to go something like this:
'Eureka! I've discovered some very interesting things regarding inductance effects of the ferrite cores and balancing magnets, resonance of the system, seeing huge voltage spike, now building a new system, working on v1.2c, but haven't done a thing in over a year while pursuing other projects such as Kapandadze experiments and pulsed motors. . . .

Like I wrote; it's all speculation until such time ZFF comes in here and gives us an update.
And one, POSSIBLE, speculation is: He reached an agreement, with somebody, to NOT build it.

So I am still trying to keep this simple at this point.
My next step is, probably, to simply build it like Romero did for now and, maybe, I can figure out a way to provide some adjustments with that set-up.
Can always add more sophisticated controls later.

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I was also disappointed that ZFF stop working on this, but hey, its his time and money he`s spending and maybe he decided he was flogging a dead horse?