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Muller Dynamo

Started by Schpankme, December 31, 2007, 10:48:41 PM

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Floor

Explanation of the principle:

An all permanent magnet motor would be a simple thing to design, if there was a way to rapidly, turn permanent magnets on and off as desired. And if this could be done with out spending too much energy in doing so.  Note, that sometimes electromagnets are used to counter act permanent magnets.  The electromagnet is magnetically polarized opposite to the permanent magnet. This (in effect), turns off the permanent magnet, but not without expending too much energy for it to be useful as a way of "turning off" the permanent magnets in an all permanent magnet motor. (Google search electro permanent magnet).  Since the discovery of "super magnets" this combination is sometimes used in lifting cranes. If power fails the crane does not drop it's pay load, an no power is consumed, except when releasing the pay load.

Similarly, the strength of an electromagnet and a permanent magnet can be combined, if their polarities are in the same direction.  In the DC motor design presented. The permanent magnets are always off, (in effect) because of their distance from the shell and each other.

If one were to remove the permanent magnets from the device presented, it would be, essentially a simple,  and conventional DC motor with electromagnet field and armature windings. Such motors sometimes perform at greater than 90% efficiency. The magnetic fields produced in the presented design, (with the permanent magnets in place) will be greater than the electrical wattage that goes into them, because those fields will also have a percentage of the permanent magnet field added to them when the electromagnets are energized.

If they can contribute, say 10 % to a 91% efficiency, it will be O U.

       Thank you again for your time

Scorch

I do find this to be a very interesting design indeed.
And, yes, I agree it should be shared.

And here is a single file, of all five pages, easier to share.

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Quote from: Floor on February 28, 2013, 05:32:10 PM
Explanation of the principle:

An all permanent magnet motor would be a simple thing to design, if there was a way to rapidly, turn permanent magnets on and off as desired. And if this could be done with out spending too much energy in doing so.  Note, that sometimes electromagnets are used to counter act permanent magnets.  The electromagnet is magnetically polarized opposite to the permanent magnet. This (in effect), turns off the permanent magnet, but not without expending too much energy for it to be useful as a way of "turning off" the permanent magnets in an all permanent magnet motor. (Google search electro permanent magnet).  Since the discovery of "super magnets" this combination is sometimes used in lifting cranes. If power fails the crane does not drop it's pay load, an no power is consumed, except when releasing the pay load.

Similarly, the strength of an electromagnet and a permanent magnet can be combined, if their polarities are in the same direction.  In the DC motor design presented. The permanent magnets are always off, (in effect) because of their distance from the shell and each other.

If one were to remove the permanent magnets from the device presented, it would be, essentially a simple,  and conventional DC motor with electromagnet field and armature windings. Such motors sometimes perform at greater than 90% efficiency. The magnetic fields produced in the presented design, (with the permanent magnets in place) will be greater than the electrical wattage that goes into them, because those fields will also have a percentage of the permanent magnet field added to them when the electromagnets are energized.

If they can contribute, say 10 % to a 91% efficiency, it will be O U.

       Thank you again for your time

shinz62


Scorch,


Here is couple of other videos showing acceleration of a generator under load. And 4 points regarding this.


1. Hains makes the point that it is the use of a "High Voltage" coil that gives the acceleration.


Originally by Thane Heins: [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TGJKrDpuAg[/size]




2. Notice this guy has "High Voltage" coils too.


This one by "YouRogga": [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZM76OUle-A[/size]



3. Looking at the first video I linked for you by Mr2Tuff2, look carefully and you will see that his coils that give the acceleration are "High Voltage" also.
([size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M[/size]) (as posted above)


4. This is also what Joseph Newman claimed about his Big Eureka, motor, was that it didn't use "Amperage", that it runs on "High Voltage".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g

Are these guys on to something?


Hope this is enlightening.


Thanks.


Scorch

First video link is not working.
In fact I had noticed, a few months ago, that ALL of Thane Haines stuff seems to have disappeared.
Any idea what is going on with that?

The other videos are very interesting.
The acceleration under full, shorted, load is very interesting then the RPM appears to remain after return to partial load.
I do wonder: How much is the 'shorted' load? Does current actually increase as RPM increases? Would be interesting to see an amp meter on his dead short.

The Newman Device video is also very interesting.
I am almost 50 years old and I find it very frustrating to know these things have been around for this long but have been completely suppressed.
And, yes, his system is using pretty high voltages. And the demonstrations of the Q2 also mentions how the system 'loves high voltage' and also runs on a stack of nine volt batteries.

This is why I decided to use the 26AWG I had on the shelf, for my mini dynamo, because this will give me the most turns that will fit on these mini bobbins.
I also decided to use the wider, lower profile, bobbins because these give better 'over-lap' as the magnet passes from one coil to the next and, in general, just provides a better appearance of a 'scaled down' version.

I have received the magnets, and capacitors, for the Q2.
Just waiting for them to catch up, with their back orders, and ship the main kit out to me.

}:>



Quote from: shinz62 on March 01, 2013, 08:12:35 PM
Scorch,


Here is couple of other videos showing acceleration of a generator under load. And 4 points regarding this.


1. Hains makes the point that it is the use of a "High Voltage" coil that gives the acceleration.


Originally by Thane Heins: [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TGJKrDpuAg[/size]




2. Notice this guy has "High Voltage" coils too.


This one by "YouRogga": [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZM76OUle-A[/size]



3. Looking at the first video I linked for you by Mr2Tuff2, look carefully and you will see that his coils that give the acceleration are "High Voltage" also.
([size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M[/size]) (as posted above)


4. This is also what Joseph Newman claimed about his Big Eureka, motor, was that it didn't use "Amperage", that it runs on "High Voltage".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g

Are these guys on to something?


Hope this is enlightening.


Thanks.

shinz62


Scorch,

That is a very nice looking build you have going there.


I should not be surprised about that link, but I am, it literally worked yesterday. Now I wish I had downloaded it. The suppression is obviously severe. I guess Thane must have sold out (or was coerced) and so apparently all his stuff, even the mirrors are being removed.


You will be pleased to know that one of his high voltage coils was also AWG 26 (I think). But it looked like he had iron cores too. And his were larger, like the size of a half spool. He claimed the size of the wire didn't really matter, it was the number of winds or amount of wire that mattered.. And bottom line, he said the secret is there is no secrete, simply use a high voltage winding.




[size=78%]Here is a very recent JNL labs full confirmation of the Heins high voltage Acceleration effect under load.However, JNL Labs called it "High Inductance".[/size]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJuwj8RhYHY


But maybe it is not simply related to the voltage/Inductance, there seems to be a resonance effect related to the inductance of the coils and the RPM or switching speed.


This shows another JNL labs reproduction of the Heins acceleration effect but here he shows how it is dependent on the RPM. At low RPM it slowed down, but at a high RPM it accelerated. And from his data you can see that the RPM needed to be above 350 to see the acceleration effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW-y1yKG36U


It makes me think that is very much like the LC circuit resonance effect. And that would make this more difficult to tune because the resonant (RPM of the speedup) point would depend on the load.


When the load changes so does the resonate frequency in a resonate LC circuit.


These links can be found from the JNL home page: [size=78%]http://jnaudin.free.fr/[/size]


Hopes this helps.


Thanks.