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Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

Started by Craigy, January 04, 2008, 04:11:39 PM

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Omnibus

#1925
January 30, 2008, 04:00:51 PM
@vipond50,

Thanks for putting the pictures back. What is the  weight of your rotor with the magnets and the bearings? You may have said that already but I've missed it. Sorry if that's the case. I'd be willing to see also graphs of the magnetic induction as a function of rotation angle, similar to what I posted for mine, to compare notes. Good luck with the replication.

Bruce_TPU

#1926
January 30, 2008, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on January 30, 2008, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 30, 2008, 08:16:16 AM
@ Bill,

Please repost your pictures, as I have not yet seen them.  Learn to ignore the rants of others, Bill.

@ Cub
If you want a spreadsheed, etc.. I say if you have the burden, go for it.  Rantings do not assist the effort. 

@ All
Bill contributed greatly, proving that the rotor weight does indeed matter greatly.  This is important, to get our rotor weights to the exact weight given by Al.

Does anyone know how Sean's testing is going?

(Our correct sized rotor should be finished Friday and in the mail.  You have no idea how frustrating it has been.  My 6061-T6 alloy arrived yesterday.  I will have it cut and drilled today.)

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
I just weighed my rotor that is 3/8" short of Jason's blue print.  Weight:  258 grams.   ???
Please explain more. How do you mean "3/8" short of Jason's blue print"? Is it the thickness or the diameter and is it with or without the magnets?


Omni,
I posted a photo of my set up and explained that the machine shop cut our rotor 3/8" shorter in diameter than it is supposed to be.  They are rebuilding the rotor to the proper dimension. 

But, if the dimensions are correct, and we are using the proper HDPE (there is only one type called HDPE as far as I can tell) why will all of our rotors be of the incorrect weight?  Something does not add up.

Either the dimensions are wrong, OR the material is wrong.  The rotor weight must be made to be exact, based on Bill's experiments.  IMHO

@ Bill
Thanks for the pictures.  You do very nice work.  I may send my rotor off to you to carve out for me!  LOL  (When it arrives, that is!   ;) )

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Omnibus

#1927
January 30, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
@Bruce-TPU,

Do I understand it correctly, just the HDPE part (without the magnets and the bearings) of your rotor which is 3/8" short of Jason's blue print weighs 258g, right? 

vipond50

#1928
January 30, 2008, 04:25:05 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on January 30, 2008, 04:00:51 PM
@vipond50,

Thanks for putting the pictures back. What is the  weight of your rotor with the magnets and the bearings? You may have said that already but I've missed it. Sorry if that's the case. I'd be willing to see also graphs of the magnetic induction as a function of rotation angle, similar to what I posted for mine, to compare notes. Good luck with the replication.
Hello Onmi
The mass of the rotor is 252.0 grams with the magnets. In this setup there are no bearing mass to measured, because they (bearings) are intergraded into the rotatable rotor support Ass.
I am currently waiting on a new Gauss meter very similar to yours and will be do a workup then.
BTW nice instrument.

Regards
Bill

vipond50

#1929
January 30, 2008, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 30, 2008, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on January 30, 2008, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 30, 2008, 08:16:16 AM
@ Bill,

Please repost your pictures, as I have not yet seen them.  Learn to ignore the rants of others, Bill.

@ Cub
If you want a spreadsheed, etc.. I say if you have the burden, go for it.  Rantings do not assist the effort. 

@ All
Bill contributed greatly, proving that the rotor weight does indeed matter greatly.  This is important, to get our rotor weights to the exact weight given by Al.

Does anyone know how Sean's testing is going?

(Our correct sized rotor should be finished Friday and in the mail.  You have no idea how frustrating it has been.  My 6061-T6 alloy arrived yesterday.  I will have it cut and drilled today.)

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
I just weighed my rotor that is 3/8" short of Jason's blue print.  Weight:  258 grams.   ???
Please explain more. How do you mean "3/8" short of Jason's blue print"? Is it the thickness or the diameter and is it with or without the magnets?


Omni,
I posted a photo of my set up and explained that the machine shop cut our rotor 3/8" shorter in diameter than it is supposed to be.  They are rebuilding the rotor to the proper dimension. 

But, if the dimensions are correct, and we are using the proper HDPE (there is only one type called HDPE as far as I can tell) why will all of our rotors be of the incorrect weight?  Something does not add up.

Either the dimensions are wrong, OR the material is wrong.  The rotor weight must be made to be exact, based on Bill's experiments.  IMHO

@ Bill
Thanks for the pictures.  You do very nice work.  I may send my rotor off to you to carve out for me!  LOL  (When it arrives, that is!   ;) )

Cheers,

Bruce
Bruce
Relating to your rotor and mass removal, I am going to take the rotor in the Pic's and continue to remove mass (Sacrificial rotor)to observe the effect of how this mass reduction effect the way the device is responding. There may just be a area of less mass that will bring about Joy.
I do NOT recommend for others to do this, because if I muff it up I can always machine another rotor.

Bill
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