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Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

Started by Craigy, January 04, 2008, 04:11:39 PM

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Bruce_TPU

#1935
January 30, 2008, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on January 30, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
@Bruce-TPU,

Do I understand it correctly, just the HDPE part (without the magnets and the bearings) of your rotor which is 3/8" short of Jason's blue print weighs 258g, right? 

@ Omni

My current, incorrectly sized rotor, with magnets and two bearing weighs 258 grams.  I have a very accurate digital scale.

So....the correctly sized rotor will be of the incorrect weight.

@ Bill

Please PM me, if you can assist in making my rotor the correct weight at a future date.  Thanks!

Bill the tool man!   ;D

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
But the question remains;  Why is the weight of our rotors off by so much, using same material, etc?  What or where is the problem?
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Yadaraf

#1936
January 30, 2008, 07:23:17 PM
Quote from: robbie47 on January 30, 2008, 06:25:06 PM
Maybe a crazy brainwave, but I was playing with the ring magnets for my stator setup. They were mounted with bearings on a nylon axis.
I noticed that they act like a compass  and have always a preferred direction to North/South.
(checked with a real compass)
I double checked the surrounding of these magnets, no metals around for at least 1.5 meter.

The question that popped up in my mind is:
Does the geographical orientation of our rigs matter?

Note: I am not able to test AGW yet. Still waiting for the right rotor magnets here.

@ robbi47

Hey robbie,

I had the very same thought earlier today, but posted it at CLaNZeR's forum, because it is less hostile and more open to new ideas.  Point in case, did you see how cub3 was treated here?  It's sad that this thread has been hijacked relative to the OP's original query, which was very general in nature.

If you or your idea are treated hostily here, please don't give up (like I did).

Cheers,

Yada ..
.

Omnibus

#1937
January 30, 2008, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 30, 2008, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: Omnibus on January 30, 2008, 04:14:36 PM
@Bruce-TPU,

Do I understand it correctly, just the HDPE part (without the magnets and the bearings) of your rotor which is 3/8" short of Jason's blue print weighs 258g, right? 

@ Omni

My current, incorrectly sized rotor, with magnets and two bearing weighs 258 grams.  I have a very accurate digital scale.

So....the correctly sized rotor will be of the incorrect weight.

@ Bill

Please PM me, if you can assist in making my rotor the correct weight at a future date.  Thanks!

Bill the tool man!   ;D

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
But the question remains;  Why is the weight of our rotors off by so much, using same material, etc?  What or where is the problem?
Indeed, why is the weight of our rotors off by so much? That is one of the central questions that have to be addressed when talking to @alsetalokin.

Also, wouldn't your incorrect rotor, now being of the correct weight of 258g, be away from the stator not at exactly 5mm which @alsetalokin emphasized to be a crucial parameter (not 4mm, not 6mm, but exactly 5mm)?

We must settle this issue with the rotor weight once and for all as well as the magnetic induction profile around rotor and stators, before we can ever expect to observe the effect in the video, I think.

It seems that we're faced with fewer parameters to play with and adjust compared to other instances, say, compared to making a working Wankel engine, correct? Of all the proposed magnetic motor this one and @xpenzif's seem to be the easiest (having fewer parameters) to  optimize. That's why it seems so attractive.

FunkyJive

#1938
January 30, 2008, 07:37:18 PM
QuoteThe question that popped up in my mind is:
Does the geographical orientation of our rigs matter?

Hi Robbie

My personal thought is not - particularly as Al's original demonstration video illustrated the motor being picked up from the desk whilst running, and the earth's EM field is very weak in any case - though of-course I'm only applying conventional science in this case  :-\

It's probable that deviations in the flux density or field concentricity of the magnets will have a far greater impact on your motor.

Particularly good lateral thinking though  ;)

All the best,

FunkyJive
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ken_nyus

#1939
January 30, 2008, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 30, 2008, 07:21:59 PM
But the question remains;  Why is the weight of our rotors off by so much, using same material, etc?  What or where is the problem?

Is your rotor 18mm thick or 3/4"? I think this is maybe the biggest difference between the "plans" and Al's measurements.

"...
Here's an actual set of measurements made right now.
Material HDPE
rotor diameter 144mm (5.6692?)
rotor thickness 18mm (.7087?)
distance from OUTER EDGE of rotor, on a radius, to INNER EDGE of magnet slots 13 mm (.5118?)
slots are symmetrically arrayed 1/4? nominal width, 12 mm depth (.4724?)
slots cut in a single pass with a 2-fluted end mill 0.250?
..."

Also remember the 3/4 center that was later plugged with a piece of delrin (not sure what size hole was in the delrin)

And then the extra cutouts underneath for clearance for the bearing assembly, like Bill's setup.
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