Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[Jdo300]

ok then, looks like I have two orders so far...

I know I could go back to find this info... the best material for the job was listing in the tech specs...
BUT, do we want a clear substrateinstead?

Thanks
UZ

"...But I do not recommend using polycarbonate (Lexan )for any part of the machine--it's in the wrong place on the triboelectric series, if one of my theories is correct.

Nor do I recommend acrylic plastic (Lucite, Plexiglas, Perspex?) for the rotor, if the base is acrylic. Different materials should probably be used. I used HDPE which at the opposite end of the plastic tribo series from acrylic.

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The Delrin (or Acetal in the civilized world) is what I used for the early rotors and all the stator bearing/magnet holders, and the 3.5 mm to 1/2 in shaft adapter. It is by far the nicest plastic to machine. ..."

UZ - we should also consider altering the design so that we can move the stators / dampers around some... kind of like Sean did on his base... I want to be able to replicate but I also want to be able to tweak...

@Jason - What do you think??

Thanks

Geodanz

Hi Geodanz,

I also plan to make a tweakable model of this motor, but for the first off model, i think it will be imperative to built it as close to spec as possible. We do not know what underlying mechanism and factors are making it run, so changing even the slightest details may result in a dud. The only adjustable parameter on my setup is the rotor height. I am going with the simple bolt axle (which Al also used in his model when he first got it working). The screw gives us the ability to adjust both the horizontal and vertical spacing between the rotor and stator magnets, which as others have already pointed out, is a key parameter. Since I am using N42 Neos for the rotor, My guess is that the gap will need to be just a hair wider than what Al used to compensate for the greater field intensity.

God Bless,
Jason O

[Butch]

Mark received correct magnets today and installed them and has been testing for several hours, but has not had any self running indications so far. This is what we all need to replicated the results seen on the original and only video shown on Youtube.
1. RPM of rotor and RPM of stator when the system gets in "tune" and starts to accelerate.
2. A new video with good lighting and the bottom side of the rotor shown during operation as well as side views during operation.
3. A new video showing the rotor up to speed and staying there for a time limited only by the size of the video files Youtube will allow.
4. If possible the name and a way of contacting "OC" by phone so the replication project can be approached in a "normal" professional
matter. If you will notice, on Sterling Allen's site, people give their full names as is a practice in the scientific community. It would give this site more creditability with venture captialist's and the scientific community in general. If someone is worried about "big oil" finding out who they are, well it would only take them one phone call and one hour to find out where anyone on this list lives. You can do that when you have endless billions of dollars at your disposal. I also believe that not giving all infomation to the public and being the only one with that information puts a person or persons in a very dangerous position where "big oil" is concerned. The best way is to get the information out to millions and then there is nothing to be accomplished by going to the original inventor. In fact, it just draws more attention to the situation. The web is the achilles heel for the powers that be, so take advantage of it.
5. In closing, videos taken if different locations, parking lot, or with a number of people in attendance would get more people to attempt replication. The LaFonte group has always had a policy that if we get a self runner, anyone can come by and see it operating and to a degree examine it. I feel certain that main stream science is ready to accept us if we just conduct ourselfs the way all scientists do when they have a breakthrough. They publish papers with their real names on it after patents are filed if they are seeking a patent. If not they just publish them for open sourcing.
We are spending lots of money, time, and energy trying to replicate many different designs as well as our own designs. I feel it's time overunity research everywhere became more like Sterling Allen's site
with peoples real names and then they could be contacted by parties they would be interested in speaking with.
I short, I think our movement has some growing up to do, myself included. Lets stop hiding, come out in the open, be professional, real people, using real names and we will become accepted more by the world at large. This is scientific research, not a club house.
This is my personal opinion, I have not discussed this with any LaFonte Group members before posting this.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
 

[Jdo300]

Hi Butch,

I definitely agree with you about the points for the video. The problem though is that Al (the replicator who posted the video) would not have even released the one we all have if Omnibus hadn't pressured him into it; and after he did, he got all kinds of flack from people calling him a fraud. Al is already a bonified skeptic and does not seem to show any signs of believing that this motor's behavior is anything more than an interesting "artifact." I doubt that we can expect to see any more videos from him. But then again, who knows?

God Bless,
Jason O

[Bruce_TPU]

Mark received correct magnets today and installed them and has been testing for several hours, but has not had any self running indications so far. This is what we all need to replicated the results seen on the original and only video shown on Youtube.
1. RPM of rotor and RPM of stator when the system gets in "tune" and starts to accelerate.
2. A new video with good lighting and the bottom side of the rotor shown during operation as well as side views during operation.
3. A new video showing the rotor up to speed and staying there for a time limited only by the size of the video files Youtube will allow.
4. If possible the name and a way of contacting "OC" by phone so the replication project can be approached in a "normal" professional
matter. If you will notice, on Sterling Allen's site, people give their full names as is a practice in the scientific community. It would give this site more creditability with venture captialist's and the scientific community in general. If someone is worried about "big oil" finding out who they are, well it would only take them one phone call and one hour to find out where anyone on this list lives. You can do that when you have endless billions of dollars at your disposal. I also believe that not giving all infomation to the public and being the only one with that information puts a person or persons in a very dangerous position where "big oil" is concerned. The best way is to get the information out to millions and then there is nothing to be accomplished by going to the original inventor. In fact, it just draws more attention to the situation. The web is the achilles heel for the powers that be, so take advantage of it.
5. In closing, videos taken if different locations, parking lot, or with a number of people in attendance would get more people to attempt replication. The LaFonte group has always had a policy that if we get a self runner, anyone can come by and see it operating and to a degree examine it. I feel certain that main stream science is ready to accept us if we just conduct ourselfs the way all scientists do when they have a breakthrough. They publish papers with their real names on it after patents are filed if they are seeking a patent. If not they just publish them for open sourcing.
We are spending lots of money, time, and energy trying to replicate many different designs as well as our own designs. I feel it's time overunity research everywhere became more like Sterling Allen's site
with peoples real names and then they could be contacted by parties they would be interested in speaking with.
I short, I think our movement has some growing up to do, myself included. Lets stop hiding, come out in the open, be professional, real people, using real names and we will become accepted more by the world at large. This is scientific research, not a club house.
This is my personal opinion, I have not discussed this with any LaFonte Group members before posting this.
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte
 

I always use my real name, so I will reply.  I do not think that better video will help your group with this replication.  So everyone needs to take the video in the context in which it was made.  And Al never posted the video to sway the masses, and kept it up for only 20 minutes or so.  He is a skeptic to OU.  He is still working on this "anomaly" though. 

He is either a liar, or truthful.  Plain and simple.  I have read all of his posts, and I believe he is very truthful.  I do not believe he hoaxed it.  Nor do I believe that Sean and many others have hoaxed, getting anti gear sync.  (I believe there have been 5 now.)

Watching your groups first video on youtube was disappointing. 
1.  The voice of skepticism
2.  The rotor was being spun much faster than the stator.  This is ridiculous if your group had been listening to the fact that there is a 4 to 1 sync between the stator magnet and rotor.  So the stator should be spinning 4 times faster than the rotor. 
3.  Your groups center bearing looks awfully big.  What blue print did you go off of to build your replication. 
4.  Has your group tried switching bearings?  Al reported that not all magnet bearing couples work, for whatever reason.  3 out of his 13 did not work at all.  (self powered).

So my advice?  Back to the bench, or await other replications. 

Cheers,

Bruce

[vipond50]

@Crashuni1
Here's another Drawing of the Rotor Jason did an excellent job, but i alway work up my own so I can do amendments if needed.

Thanks Jason
Bill