Working Magnetic Motor on you tube??

[Omnibus]

Question: Is a magnetic force conservitive or non conservative?

According to difinition a conservative force is one with potential energy to act on an object.

However I also find that in Maxwell's Laws people saying

One of Maxwell's equations says that a changing magnetic field is associated with an electric field, whose apparent rotation about a point is proportional to the time?rate of change of the magnetic field. Since the curl is not zero, an electric field associated with a changing magnetic field is, therefore, not conservative.
(from) http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/report.htm

Which to my mind leaves the question of 'hoax' still open to definate proof.

What we're discussing here are time independent magnetic fields which are conservative. Maxwell's equations treat changing fields--recall what they consist of, Ampere's and Farady's laws as two of the four laws, correct?

The hoax in @alsetalokin's case would be if he has used generators of changing magnetic fields concealed from the viewer while claiming a sustained effect only due to intrinsically time independent fields.

If it's not a hoax, Inducing time dependence through manual turning of the rotor which would cause the observed acceleration, let alone the seven hour run can only be due to violation of CoE when intrinsically time independent fields are involved.

[RunningBare]

I wont add to the vote to have omnibus banned, but perhaps Stefan can have a quiet word with omnibus about is attitude towards other forum members.

[Omnibus]

One should expect that the managers of Steorn forum should try to contact the employers of @alsetalokin and ask that he be made accountable because he used Steorn?s site as a conduit to perpetrate his hoax. It?s logical to assume they don?t need additional bad publicity to accompany their London fiasco. Unless they are in on it as a way to distract the attention regarding their own mishaps. It?s anyone?s guess as present what the real truth is.

This is just what I was waiting for, your not pissed off at AL for a possible hoax, your pissed off because in the end your supposition that CoE can be violated has NOT been proved, every attack on AL and other members of this forum by you is more about your ego and crying like a baby, your upset because you truly believed AL had something and now its all slipping away, that why your attacking AL, not because its a possible hoax, but because he has hurt you.

Poor little omnibus has scraped his knee, someone get him a bandage.

You don't deserve and answer because you're obviously unqualified but here it goes. Violation of CoE is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt even if there would never be a working magnetic motor constructed.  Constructing a working magnetic motor is a specific engineering task, very difficult at that, which has nothing to do with proving that CoE can be violated. That it can be violated is proven beyond a doubt. Further, all magnetic motors are based on exactly the same principle and have exactly the same problems despite the differences in design. I would hope, however, that some designs better than others may allow for a certain motor to be fine tuned easier so that we can finally see a working pmm. So far none such has been demonstrated reproducibly, despite the many claims by semi-educated, half-educated and whatever else enthusiasts.Sad but that's what it is .Again, the fact that no pmm has been shown to work so far is not a proof that CoE cannot be violated. It can as has already been shown beyond a shadow of a doubt, awaiting the proper engineering solution to be clothed in a slightly more practical forma of a permanent magnet motor.

[RunningBare]

CoE has blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah.

"Yawns"

[Omnibus]

CoE has blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah.

"Yawns"

Typical reaction of an uneducated person. Go watch soccer and drink a beer or two, don't hang out here, nothing interesting for you will happen.