Heat Pump / Refrigeration. Can same overunity concept apply to Eletronics???

[RedEagle]

FYI, heat pumps are not "overunity".

they are sure not in the means that they could actually produce energy, but definatly output more heat than electrical power is put in.
So its a point of view. If you consider the taken thermal energy as input too its just unity in best case.

Besides that many people tried to fly and got laughed at and told that many people tried it before and never succeeded... until someone did succeed.

Read my patent and proof me wrong, that will save me a lot of money.

[markdansie]

Red Eagle
sadly I do not have to prove you wrong as you can not demonstrate a working prototype that would pass third party review.
The last two projects I was involved in regarding what you are trying to achieve sadly resulted in falling over when it came to the practical demonstrations, and they spent a lot of money and even involved a University (that always amuses me)
However I encourage you to continue your work, as I do all researchers you might only be 998 light bulbs away.
Kind Regards
Mark

[picowatt]

they are sure not in the means that they could actually produce energy, but definatly output more heat than electrical power is put in.
So its a point of view. If you consider the taken thermal energy as input too its just unity in best case.

Besides that many people tried to fly and got laughed at and told that many people tried it before and never succeeded... until someone did succeed.

Read my patent and proof me wrong, that will save me a lot of money.

All I said was that a heatpump is not overunity.  I don't recall "laughing" about anything.

Heat pumps are "pumps".  Lots of inefficiencies.  Electrical losses, pumping losses, exchanger losses, etc.

PW

[RedEagle]

Mark,

the prototype is what I'm working on. This will sure take time and money and I sure will need help to build it.
But so far nobody was able to tell me a reason why this should not work and in fact its not possible to destroy energy so it has to be somewhere after being extracted from the environment. I've seen a lot of discussion here on e.g. permanent magnet motors but have never seen one running or have read or heard any explaination on how it should work. But I do respect people trying to achieve what I think is not possible. I try to keep my mind open to any idea and won't say something IS impossible just because I think it is.
You are right, you don't have to proof me wrong, but at least I have an explanation where the energy comes from.
I just ask to consider my idea like any other in this forum and if anyone has a reason why it can not work and can explain where the energy is lost, I will stop all efforts to build that generator.
So please read the documents on my page before you say it can't work.

Regards
Red

[RedEagle]

All I said was that a heatpump is not overunity.  I don't recall "laughing" about anything.

Heat pumps are "pumps".  Lots of inefficiencies.  Electrical losses, pumping losses, exchanger losses, etc.

PW

That "laughing" did not mean you or anyone else here, its just a historical fact. To be honest watching some videos about the early tries to fly still makes us laugh today 

Efficiency is a point of view. If you take a lightbulb its just 5% efficient and has 95% losses. But consider it a heater its 95% efficient.
A heat pump sure has losses, but these losses are set free as heat to almost 100%. so are they really losses if the purpose of the pump is to produce heat?
It really just depends on how you look at it.