DEBATE THREAD

[tinu]

"something must come from something; for nothing comes from nothing and nothing is the result"
- Ernest Shurtleff Holmes

I really don?t know anymore?
Sometime money can come from nothing. Fortunately some discover that later it cost time to do.
Also, many other things can come from nothing with a good hidden agenda, right?

[DA]

Even if someone does build a self sustaining closed system SMOT this is still no proof that CoE has been violated. The most someone could say is that there is an energy input from an unknown source.

Until we know ALL forms of energy that exist in the universe no violation of CoE can be proven.

We are a long way from recognising and measuring all forms of energy that exist. There are still any number of things out there in this immensity that surrounds us that we have no knowledge of.

Hans von Lieven

Well said, Hans,

Nice to see people like you around who can express themselves clearly.

DA

[Omnibus]

Even if someone does build a self sustaining closed system SMOT this is still no proof that CoE has been violated. The most someone could say is that there is an energy input from an unknown source.

Until we know ALL forms of energy that exist in the universe no violation of CoE can be proven.

We are a long way from recognising and measuring all forms of energy that exist. There are still any number of things out there in this immensity that surrounds us that we have no knowledge of.

Hans von Lieven

Well said, Hans,

Nice to see people like you around who can express themselves clearly.

DA

What is nice and clear about someone expressing a wrong idea? You're joking, right? A device powered by an existing energy source can never be perpetuum mobile and that's what perpetuum mobile is by definition even in the works of the classics such as Helmholtz.

[FreeEnergy]

"something must come from something; for nothing comes from nothing and nothing is the result"
- Ernest Shurtleff Holmes

I really don?t know anymore?
Sometime money can come from nothing. Fortunately some discover that later it cost time to do.
Also, many other things can come from nothing with a good hidden agenda, right?

depends what you think "nothing" is.

[hansvonlieven]

depends what you think "nothing" is.

According to Omnibus: A nothing is a something you can pull energy from.   

How is that for an oxymoron?

Hans von Lieven