Helmust Goebkes magnet motor

[hartiberlin]

This was a working permanent magnet motor,
but it discharged the Neodymium magnets due to eddy currents.

With Ferrite magnets it should run forever.


Description of principles of a permanent magnetic motor based on works in 1999 by Helmut G?bkes, Germany.

The permanent magnetic motor is a long searched device,
most (if not all) devices up to now do not work as expected.

First of all i had to say, that i am working on that Device for about one year and the only results I got are self sustaind runnings with a maximum time of about 50 Seconds.

I tell this, to reject all "self declared scientists" wich are expects a 1000kW Output @ zero input Device.

In my opinion, the first steps to get a **real working*** OU device are to understand the principles behind a (first time mostly small) 0.001% effect, before we can develop a bigger and real **energy** producing device.

Introduction: Some years ago, as i saw my first TOMI device working on my desktop, saw the magnet roll running upwards the ramp and
dropping down afterwards.
I know:
THAT is the first real flash of a working permanent motor device.
First of all, i tried to recognize the different forces, wich makes the TOMI working: the atracting part, the gravity, wich helps the rolling magnet to drop it out of the attraction zone and -of course- the many possibilities to loose energy in a TOMI device.

After a while of thinking and trying to eliminate each energy loosing parts of a "normal" TOMI, i had an interesting thought: Why not ***compensating*** what disturbing the moving part?

First of all, i had to eliminate the hassle of lifting up the magnetic roll against the gravity - and that was the easiest task.

I changed the Iron and magnetic parts (wich are interchangable in a TOMI too) and arranged it on the circumfirence of a rotor.

But now, i had a problem: I had no force, to got the magnets out of the attraction zone.

In the TOMI device, the Gravity helped the magnetic Roll out of this.

And here, my initial Idea of compensating the disturbing magnetic Field at the exit helped me.

I aranged a small magnet on the exit in repelling mode, with only enough force to compensate the attraction field on the exit part (of the TOMI).

So the accumulated inertia from the attraction pushed my wheel over that zone.

After some hours of playing around and thinking about the magnetic fields i got the final idea:

I built a soft iron part, wich attracts magnets on a rotor.
The soft iron stator is adjusted to form a field wich attracts the magnets at an angle of force wich speeds up the rotor.

Just before the magnets on the rotor are on the center zone (wich only produce sidewards directed forces on the shafts but no usable force)
the magnetic attraction of the soft iron bar is **compensated** by a small megnet in repelling mode (!)

This produces a small field around the center of about +/-15 degrees from the centerline in wich there is no force at all - no attraction and no repelling.

Within this "neutral zone", the wheel (and the magnets) are drive only by the accumulated inertia.

The adjustment is a little bit critical not to overcompensate and produce a counter-productive repelling zone instead of a neutral zone.

If the magnets are travelled thru this "neutral zone" the opposite effekt is effective.

If you position a stator wich had magnets so arranged that there is a increasing repelling field forcing to the (rotating) magnets,
the repelling produce an additional force to the wheel because the vector of force is (approx 10..15 degrees) above the center line.

In my experiments i found, that a +/- 10 to 15 degree "neutral zone" ist the best.

A smaller and a broader neutral zone tends to loose energy.

First, i tested these principle on a one-rotor device very successful.

My tests then proceed by adopting the principle to a two-rotor design, wich allows a better distribution of the forces.

A two-wheel design needs to be synchronized by two precision gears (diameter 200mm,Modulo 1 in my device) but this device acts less effective than the one-rotor device.

I assume, that the drag of the gears costs a lot of the (not so much) overunity force. CONCLUSION:

This kind of device is interesting, and the principle is easy to understand and to follow.

In my experiments, my magnets got weak after some hours of testing and never reached speeds more than 100..150 revolutions/minute.

This shows, that much energy is lost due to eddy currents wich are inducted in the soft iron and the nickel-plating of the magnets i used. Maybe also a big loss of energy is caused by my magnets itself, on memeber of the group tells me that my magnets (NeFeB) are highly conductive and so they are itself a big reason to brake the system due to eddy currents.

This the device spins without initial startup for up to 50 seconds. (I had some longer runs (up to five minutes) but this runs are not predictable and not safely repeatable.)

40-50 Second runs without any starting action was the "normal", wich is interesting enough to think and experiment a little bit more..

Further experiments will show, if ceramic magnets will do a better job!
Greetings, Helmut Goebkes

[Discworld]

Have you tested this or do you assume that it did work?

Magnetism is known for a couple of hundred years, there have been 100+ attempts to build a mechanical-magnetic-self-running-machine
and all of them either turned out to not work or there is no proof?

Isn?t it a bit arrogant that we all think we can do it anyway? ;-)

Otherwise give me some proof, some people say there was no landing on the moon but we believe in a blurry video on youtube? HA HA.

Don?t get me wrong, I believe there is something but I don?t believe the energy is stored in the magnet.

We have to change our minds about the mechanical thinking. That way smart swiss clockmakers would have created a magnetic clock looooong before.

If magnetism is an effect of rearranging matter we should think of  Tesla, Schauberger and some of Everts ideas.

Reproducing replicas based on replicated drawings or drawings based on blurry videos simply is a complete waste of time. Trial an error just leads to long threads, huge euphorism, tunnel vision and at the end no result.

If neutrinos can be detected, if any matter theoretically can be made from carbon, if the sun is cold and just the o2 in our atmosphere makes it warm. Doesn?t this all tell us everything is a result of the right interaction?

Tesla once said we will be able to use free energy when we synchronized ourself with the pulse of the universe.
So what is a magnet? In my eyes nothing else but a symbiosis.
At the end remember, Tesla didn?t know of neodym magnets and hightec circuits!

[biznesses]

I would like to try prototyping this design.  Do you have any drawings or cad files with concrete dimensions?  I was also wondering what the longest tomi track you have made.  I haven't tried one with iron in between the magnets, making a true tomi with no neutral zone.  Just stacking the magnets together on a short distance produces a really strong propulsive force.  If a tomi track does work on infinite distances, then I believe the rotary version should work if you are able to keep the magnetic fields acting at 90 degrees to each other.  Have you known anyone to use a wedge type magnet to achieve this? Thanks. Sean

[BEP]

I watch these threads for three main reasons:

1. It is amazing what I've learned since starting to watch.

2. When I do experiment and try a new idea - sometimes - just sometimes - it is a blast seeing the unbelievable or misunderstood result and trying to understand it myself.

3. It is amazing AND humorous to watch the knuckle whackers in action when it is obvious they haven't tried the idea and they are just spouting scripture from whichever book they prefer or associating an action with something similar.

I await the knuckle whackers......

[RunningBare]

This does not make sense since the iron cores will effectively become part of the stator magnet, if you look at the lower iron core, the part facing the rotor will become the north pole, so in effect this area will be in repulsion NOT attraction.

Take a magnet, stack some iron pieces on one pole, the end of those iron pieces will be the same pole.

S [magnet] N [iron] N